[105476] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ken Simpson)
Tue Jun 24 18:06:38 2008
From: Ken Simpson <ksimpson@mailchannels.com>
To: Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org>
In-Reply-To: <g37icfya0n.fsf@sa.vix.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:06:26 -0700
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
>> One could argue that the "botnets for rent" business model is in more
>> widespread use than either EC2 or gridserver...
>>
>> I'm unclear whether that statement needs a smiley or not...
>
> i'd say that since EC2 won't be shut down when it's found out about,
> that
> you need a smiley. "widespread use" is too narrow a term. none of us
> expects white-hat e-commerce business to move into rented botnets, and
> rented botnets aren't all going to be in the same address space or
> ASN.
IMHO, Amazon will eventually be forced to bifurcate their EC2 IP space
into a section that is for "newbies" and a section for established
customers. The newbie space will be widely black-listed, but will also
have a lower rate of abuse complaint enforcement.
The only scalable way to deal with a system like EC2 is to provide
clear demarcations of where the crap is likely to originate from.
Regards,
Ken
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