[105398] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Curran)
Sun Jun 22 12:43:41 2008
In-Reply-To: <g3myldxx4r.fsf@sa.vix.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:43:10 -0400
To: Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org>
From: John Curran <jcurran@mail.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
At 4:17 PM +0000 6/22/08, Paul Vixie wrote:
>with EC2, it's game-over for the IP reputation industry, other than
>possibly lists of dynamic IP blocks (modems, DSL, etc) from which SMTP
>ought not come. but for the wider IP address space, we now return to
>content based filtering, and i predict a mighty increase in the number of
>pink contracts in colo rooms. (the silver lining is, this could reduce
>pressure on BGP piracy/injection.)
>
>as randy bush often says, "it's just business." amazon has solid business
>reasons for creating EC2 and there's no way it could be profitable if they
>can't scale the user base, and there's no way to scale the user base if
>they have to police it at the application or "intent" level. so, i'm not
>whining, just pointing out that this is a sea change, the end of an era.
I agree that it's going to be difficult to deal with this on an IP
reputation basis (at least using IPv4 :-), but not certain that
means that a total lack of policing will stand long-term. The
litmus test will likely be subsequent to the first large scale P2P
service appearing in the EC2 cloud and distributing quantities
of copyright material...
/John
