[102501] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Mon Feb 18 12:12:08 2008
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:05:43 -0000
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>
To: "John Lee" <John@internetassociatesllc.com>,
"Raymond Macharia" <raymond@accesskenya.com>,
"NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
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Hi John,=20
I think that comment is way out of line. In fact, I met at LINX one of =
authors of a trading proposal. They are smart, well educated =
individuals.=20
Markets have proven to be excellent mechanisms for allocating resources =
fairness is a distinct issue) and might be the medication required given =
the apparent hoarding of IP addresses.=20
Nor is the trading of IP addresses inconsistent with ARIN ownership.=20
Regards, =20
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.=20
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com
rodbeck@erols.com
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' =
Albert Einstein.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of John Lee
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 4:45 PM
To: Raymond Macharia; NANOG list
Subject: RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
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Distribution:
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This "idea" comes from clueless individuals who want to know "who owns =
the Internet"? When I worked at Enron Broadband Services "the crooked =
E", management wanted to buy PSInet so that "we" could developed a =
trading desk for IP address blocks.
=20
We informed management that neither EBS or PSInet owned their IP =
addresses but rented them from ARIN. And when the organization indicates =
that IP addresses are no longer needed, they can be returned to ARIN or =
ARIN can come and get them from the organization per ARIN AUP and other =
policies that users signed when making a request to ARIN. (Review a =
court case several years ago, about a company going into bankruptcy, I =
believe, claiming that "their" IP addresses were part of the assets of =
the company...)
=20
Now for those who could not follow the last paragraph, the analogy is =
when you were young and renting your apartment or house and you wanted =
to make money selling one of the rooms of your rented apartment or =
house.=20
=20
So anyone with spare /16 or larger send the blocks back to ARIN so they =
can be good stewards of the diminishing resource.
=20
John (ISDN) Lee
I Still Don't kNow
It Suites Dennis's Needs
________________________________
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Raymond Macharia
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 8:39 AM
To: 'NANOG list'
Subject: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
Hello
the article here
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021308-ipv6-delay.html is an
interesting read given the current state of IPv4 depletion/IPv6 =
conversion
operational climate.
As it is indicated, it's a proposal and there are considerations as to
whether it makes things better or worse.
Regards
Raymond Macharia
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi John,<BR>
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I think that comment is way out of line. In fact, I met at LINX one of =
authors of a trading proposal. They are smart, well educated =
individuals.<BR>
<BR>
Markets have proven to be excellent mechanisms for allocating resources =
fairness is a distinct issue) and might be the medication required given =
the apparent hoarding of IP addresses.<BR>
<BR>
Nor is the trading of IP addresses inconsistent with ARIN ownership.<BR>
<BR>
Regards, <BR>
<BR>
Roderick S. Beck<BR>
Director of European Sales<BR>
Hibernia Atlantic<BR>
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com">http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com<=
/A><BR>
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.<BR>
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.<BR>
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.<BR>
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth<BR>
rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com<BR>
rodbeck@erols.com<BR>
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' =
Albert Einstein.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of John Lee<BR>
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 4:45 PM<BR>
To: Raymond Macharia; NANOG list<BR>
Subject: RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit<BR>
<BR>
Distribution:<BR>
<BR>
This "idea" comes from clueless individuals who want to know =
"who owns the Internet"? When I worked at Enron Broadband =
Services "the crooked E", management wanted to buy PSInet so =
that "we" could developed a trading desk for IP address =
blocks.<BR>
<BR>
We informed management that neither EBS or PSInet owned their IP =
addresses but rented them from ARIN. And when the organization indicates =
that IP addresses are no longer needed, they can be returned to ARIN or =
ARIN can come and get them from the organization per ARIN AUP and other =
policies that users signed when making a request to ARIN. (Review a =
court case several years ago, about a company going into bankruptcy, I =
believe, claiming that "their" IP addresses were part of the =
assets of the company...)<BR>
<BR>
Now for those who could not follow the last paragraph, the analogy is =
when you were young and renting your apartment or house and you wanted =
to make money selling one of the rooms of your rented apartment or =
house.<BR>
<BR>
So anyone with spare /16 or larger send the blocks back to ARIN so they =
can be good stewards of the diminishing resource.<BR>
<BR>
John (ISDN) Lee<BR>
I Still Don't kNow<BR>
It Suites Dennis's Needs<BR>
<BR>
________________________________<BR>
<BR>
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Raymond Macharia<BR>
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 8:39 AM<BR>
To: 'NANOG list'<BR>
Subject: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Hello<BR>
the article here<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021308-ipv6-delay.html">htt=
p://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021308-ipv6-delay.html</A> is an<BR>
interesting read given the current state of IPv4 depletion/IPv6 =
conversion<BR>
operational climate.<BR>
As it is indicated, it's a proposal and there are considerations as =
to<BR>
whether it makes things better or worse.<BR>
<BR>
Regards<BR>
<BR>
Raymond Macharia<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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