[102499] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Lee)
Mon Feb 18 11:56:35 2008
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:45:39 -0600
From: "John Lee" <John@internetassociatesllc.com>
To: "Raymond Macharia" <raymond@accesskenya.com>,
"NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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This "idea" comes from clueless individuals who want to know "who owns =
the Internet"? When I worked at Enron Broadband Services "the crooked =
E", management wanted to buy PSInet so that "we" could developed a =
trading desk for IP address blocks.
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We informed management that neither EBS or PSInet owned their IP =
addresses but rented them from ARIN. And when the organization indicates =
that IP addresses are no longer needed, they can be returned to ARIN or =
ARIN can come and get them from the organization per ARIN AUP and other =
policies that users signed when making a request to ARIN. (Review a =
court case several years ago, about a company going into bankruptcy, I =
believe, claiming that "their" IP addresses were part of the assets of =
the company...)
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Now for those who could not follow the last paragraph, the analogy is =
when you were young and renting your apartment or house and you wanted =
to make money selling one of the rooms of your rented apartment or =
house.=20
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So anyone with spare /16 or larger send the blocks back to ARIN so they =
can be good stewards of the diminishing resource.
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John (ISDN) Lee
I Still Don't kNow
It Suites Dennis's Needs
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Raymond Macharia
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 8:39 AM
To: 'NANOG list'
Subject: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
Hello
the article here
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021308-ipv6-delay.html is an
interesting read given the current state of IPv4 depletion/IPv6 =
conversion
operational climate.
As it is indicated, it's a proposal and there are considerations as to
whether it makes things better or worse.
Regards
Raymond Macharia
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clueless individuals who want to know "who owns the Internet"? When I =
worked at Enron Broadband Services "the crooked E", management wanted to =
buy PSInet so that "we" could developed a trading desk for IP address =
blocks.</FONT></DIV>=0A=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We informed management that =
neither EBS or PSInet owned their IP addresses but rented them from =
ARIN. And when the organization indicates that IP addresses are no =
longer needed, they can be returned to ARIN or ARIN can come and get =
them from the organization per ARIN AUP and other policies that users =
signed when making a request to ARIN. (Review a court case several years =
ago, about a company going into bankruptcy, I believe, claiming that =
"their" IP addresses were part of the assets of the =
company...)</FONT></DIV>=0A=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now for those who could not =
follow the last paragraph, the analogy is when you were young and =
renting your apartment or house and you wanted to make money selling one =
of the rooms of your rented apartment or house. </FONT></DIV>=0A=
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-nanog@merit.edu on =
behalf of Raymond Macharia<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon 2/18/2008 8:39 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NANOG list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> IPV4 as a Commodity for =
Profit<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>=0A=
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Hello<BR>the article here<BR><A =
href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021308-ipv6-delay.html">htt=
p://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021308-ipv6-delay.html</A> is =
an<BR>interesting read given the current state of IPv4 depletion/IPv6 =
conversion<BR>operational climate.<BR>As it is indicated, it's a =
proposal and there are considerations as to<BR>whether it makes things =
better or worse.<BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Raymond =
Macharia<BR><BR><BR></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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