[102057] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (J. Oquendo)
Thu Jan 24 08:12:38 2008
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:57:17 -0500
From: "J. Oquendo" <sil@infiltrated.net>
To: Roland Perry <lists@internetpolicyagency.com>
CC: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <ejgmfYKhuHmHFAWf@perry.co.uk>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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Roland Perry wrote:
> Putting aside for a moment the issue of "whose dollars pay for it" there
> is no fundamental contradiction in the proposition that private sector
> information can be mandated to be kept for minimum periods, is
> confidential, but nevertheless can be acquired by lawful subpoena.
>
> Think about banking records, for example, which are confidential,
> routinely examined in criminal enquiries, and which have to be kept for
> various minimum periods by accountancy law. Operationally, the banks
> have had to invest in special departments to do just that, it's simply
> part of the cost of doing business.
The difference with banking records and computer generated records is,
you can literally track down whether by PIN on an ATM along with for the
majority of times an image taken from a camera. Try doing this with IP
generated information. While law enforcement subpoenas away information,
there is no guarantee person X is definitively behind even a static IP
address. Its hearsay no matter how you want to look at this. Outside of
the fact that lawyers still up to this day and age can't seem to grasp
an all-in-one argument to get IP address information thrown out, what's
next? Perhaps law enforcement agencies forcing vendors to include enough
memory on wireless devices to track who logged in on a hotspot?
Everyone sees the need for all sorts of accounting on the networking
side of things but how legitimate is the information when anyone can
share MAC addresses, jump into hotspots anonymously, quickly break into
wireless networks, venture into an Internet cafe paying cash, throw on a
bootable (throwaway) distribution of BSD/Linux/Solaris, do some dirty
deed and leave it up to someone else to take the blame.
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