[1295] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: The stolen beaver paws
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ryan Williams)
Fri Apr 12 18:13:53 2002
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:10:50 -0400
From: Ryan Williams <breath@MIT.EDU>
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I was actually making the point that your RingComm has the authority to
decide how to spend its money. If you want to disagree with them, the most
effective way to make your opinion heard is on a campus-wide discussion
list! (irony intended)
And are you really trying to ensure that "there are activities for the
whole class"? You're just bitching about something that's already been
done, and thereby damping people's enthusiasm for future activities. We
all know that's not proactive! If you really care about your friends and
class, you'll get out there and initiate something
yourself. Revolutionizing the class-activities industry is an open task
that no one has ever filled, mostly because spankers with keyboard time and
no ambition devote precious resources to undermining innovation.
I think that RingComm made the right decision to cover Amal, but I'm
probably helping your case by letting you spread your doublespeak
indiscriminately to the unjaded ears of MIT-talk readers.
-RYaN
At 05:35 PM 4/12/02 -0400, Adam Champy wrote:
>Hey - yeah I have friends. Yeah, I help them out when they are in trouble.
>I also just want to show you how your own words prove my point:
>What would have happened if he didn't reveal this to everybody? Well, no
>one would have known about the "hack"..... or its cost. Last time I
>checked, that seems to me like somebody doing something on their own,
>taking some pictures of it, and when they get caught after screwing up,
>asking for help. What if this was successful? Would he have told
>everybody? Did he tell everybody right after it happened (No) or just
>after it turned up that they would owe 650? (Yes) So, was this a hack for
>the benefit of him and his friends, or for the whole school? I think that
>question is easy to answer.
>I think you are twisted to turn my words in to some assumption that I have
>no friends and care only about how my .65 cents is spent. Well, I actually
>have a good deal of friends and I want to make sure there are activities
>for the whole class, not just 5 people who borrow the beaver suit. If I
>screw up, I don't get to rely on class funds to pay for something I messed
>up with. If I screw up trying to pull a prank at Harvard, and I am lucky
>enough to be doing it in the name of ringcomm, I will get it paid for with
>class funds? What type of precedent is that?
>
>At 05:19 PM 4/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hey, you bimbo. If you want to debate whether Amal's stunt was a "hack" or
>>"hacque" or "hazing", start your own thread.
>>
>>What I'm talking about is this purported Champy whining about something he
>>probably doesn't understand. It's about courage, man. Courage to say that
>>your prank went awry, and would you all help deal with the consequences
>>because we're all friends. Do you have friends, Champy? Do you help them
>>out when they're in trouble? Or do you say "I don't feel that I should
>>help someone who might get in trouble"?
>>What if Amal hadn't gone and revealed his misdeed to everyone? The Tech
>>would have never picked up the story, and you would have never heard of
>>it. Class of 2004 could have spent the full $650 without Mr. Champy
>>complaining. Only because it was delivered in black printed letters to his
>>doorstep (actually, I bet he reads the Tech online, he seems like that
>>type), did it even cross his mind to open his mouth. This information is
>>public - you can ask your treasurer where the class money is going. But do
>>you, Champy? No, you sit at home and whimper whenever a dollar sign comes
>>over HTTP.
>>
>>You have a sissy, stay-at-home, crybaby attitude, and I'm ashamed to be on
>>the same mailing list as you, let alone use the same bathroom facilities
>>you do occasionally.
>>
>>-RYaN
>>
>>
>>>-- listen, you twit. Hacks are cool because they require ingenuity,
>>>courage, no small amount of technical or diplomatic or creative energy (or
>>>all of the above), large investments of time and sweat...turning dome into
>>>R2D2, good hack. Releasing MIT beavers in NASA balloons at Commencement
>>>2001, only to have them float into the Charles: nice try, but aeronautical
>>>engineers should know a thing or two about drifting in the wind. Jerking
>>>off onto a cracker and forcing the slowest-flogging pledge to eat it...oh
>>>wait, that's not a hack, that's hazing. Dropping the ball in the course of
>>>a simple, asinine prank, and *allowing* your classmates to get saddled
>>>with the cost of covering your ass: lame lame lame.
>>>
>>>If you're so proud of this half-baked shit, dress up like the beaver and
>>>rob a convenience store to raise money. I'm sure the Tech will run an
>>>article when you get caught.
>>>
>>>W.
>>
>>Ryan D. Williams, MIT Class of 2003
>>
>>
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