[1098] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: This is my price.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Kelly Zimmerman)
Wed Mar 13 11:32:32 2002
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:29:23 -0500
From: Kelly Zimmerman <knz@MIT.EDU>
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Awww, Dustin, still bitter about losing your own election back then?
Being one of the UA insiders at the time, I have to say that it's an
interesting interpretation you chose to use-- that we didn't care? We
looked at all sorts of different possibilities, to see how it could, in any
way benefit the students. Which is how the elevator came up. When we came
to the conclusion that it would not, in fact benefit the students to allow
TEAL in the Student Center, we went against it. And that was a conclusion
that we could make, having considered more than one side.
What we can't see obviously can't exist, right? Try thinking about the fact
that you CAN'T see everything that goes on, and get over the idea that the
UA has done nothing for you.
Cheers,
Kelly ;)
At 10:58 AM 3/13/02 -0500, esper wrote:
>Having been on the UA council when that all (TEAL/5th Fl. Student Center)
>went down, I can tell you one thing. UA insiders didn't care. Heck, most
>people were in favor of it, and were talking about the logistics (should we
>get a faster elevator?) However, students were quite peeved that the
>administration was trying to jack one of the few common study areas around
>and harassed their representatives. It has been the only time in my third
>year of being here that I've seen the UA do something concrete to benefit
>students, and only then, grudgingly, at the demands of the electorate.
>
>I know one of the candidates for UAP. They are a UA insider and have caused
>far more trouble to other people than benefit to anyone.(but themselves) I
>intend to sell my vote. Why? Cause I'm sick of a student government that
>exists for itself.
>
>Rhett might not be your most mainstream candidate, but he's a good man. In
>the crap-throwing contest in last year's elections, he was probably the one
>candidate who didn't cause trouble. I should know: Zhe Scott and I headed up
>the Election Commission last year.
>
>Vote for who you think is going to do something right for you, not for them.
>And don't ride Rhett for cutting you out of the loop with his pork offer. He
>cut everyone in who wants some. America, Japan, Germany, the UK...everyone
>has pork. Grab a fork.
>
>
>several random musings from a former UA councilor
>Dustin Muniz
>esper@mit.edu
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Talk about MIT, for MIT, by MIT. [mailto:MIT-Talk@MIT.EDU]On
>Behalf Of John W. Belcher
>Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:39 AM
>To: MIT-Talk@MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: So That's Your Price?
>
>
>in reply to Richard Tibbets' comment:
>
> > I think that most people, like myself, are aware of the position, what
> > someone in that position can do, and what they have done. Most
> > importantly, it seems that no one in that position has done much of
> > anything (at least not since McGann, and his actions were limitted).
>
>let me remind you of one thing that the UA did effectively
>
>The UA stopped the idea of the TEAL/Studio classroom
>going into 5th floor of the Student Center dead in its tracks
>
>Despite the fact that this was Larry Bacow's
>idea (the Chancellor at the time)
>
>That happened because Peter Schulman, Allison Neizmik, and Jaime Devereaux
>really did their homework and were adriot in interacting with the
>administration.
>
>If you think that wasn't a tour de force of poltical skill, then you haven't
>been at MIT for 31 years.
>
>cheers
>
>John Belcher
>PI for TEAL/Studio
>
>
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