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Re: The role of religion

jik@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (jik@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Thu Sep 12 23:17:15 1991

>Read more carefully, jik.  I said "hole yourself up", as in
>"sequester", not "hold yourself up", as in "become stuck up".  Very
>different.

I know what you said, my "hold" was a typo.

Nevertheless, your comment about "(and down) on everyone else" makes
it seem to me that "hold yourself up" is also within the meaning of
what you were trying to say.

>In answer, no, I don't.  If you were in a community like that, you
>wouldn't willingly spend time around MIT or any other community which
>wasn't strictly Orthodox.

So how can you say, "I don't think [observant Jewish living] can work
in the United States unless you hole yourself up in a community...?"
That obviously isn't true, and your admission that I don't hole myself
contradicts your original statement.

Your time in Israel was spent on a CONSERVATIVE Jewish program.  It is
a common misconception, even among many Jews, that observance is
equivalent to Orthodox Judaism.  How can you say that religious living
cannot take place in anything but a "strictly Orthodox" environment
when you earlier said you spent six weeks being religious in a
Conservative environment?

You just don't seem to have thought this through very well, Marc.

>Perhaps.  But I know that I'd end up making the decision between the
>ritual and my friends that Rhu is battling with right now.

Why?  You just said that you don't think I hole myself up.  I manage
to have friends and be religious too.  Why do you keep insisting it's
not possible?

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