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Re: [APO-L] Jesse's comments
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jesse Bridges)
Wed Jun 9 00:54:00 2004
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:53:35 -0400
Reply-To: Jesse Bridges <jaybee@bellsouth.net>
From: Jesse Bridges <jaybee@bellsouth.net>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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"To me its like changing the United States National Anthem. Yes, we =
have the power to make changes, but lets not change it so much that we =
loose site of our roots."
Very nice statement!
Dues!
Now that's something. How can we have one of the less expensive =
organizations to join, have tons of paper work to get done, do =
everything else and forget to pay national dues?
If it is the students that don't have the money, wouldn't it be service =
to the members to do a fundrasier to pay for it? Do sectionals suggest =
and work with chapters in their fund raising efforts. If their is one =
thing that can help chapters, it is the passing of fundraising ideas =
through the sectional official.
Jesse
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kami Bush=20
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Jesse's comments
Though I agree with most of your comments there is one that I must =
disagree with.
Brother Sharon says:
Actually, one of the main reasons that women like myself are OK with =
being
calling "brothers" while working to get the Toast Song changed is that =
we
acknowledge that there is no single gender-neutral word in the English
language that would convey the relationship that we in Alpha Phi Omega
share, so "brother" is the next-best term. The same cannot be said =
about
the use of "Men Of" in the Toast Song. There are multiple phrases that
could be used to replace "Men Of" without diluting the meaning of the =
Toast
Song one little bit.
Brother Kami responds:
Men and man have been used in large quantity to signify all of the =
human race. ie. mankind, the age of man, etc. So the use of "men of" =
actually includes all of us women. I personally don't think that we =
need to change the Toast Song. To me its like changing the United =
States National Anthem. Yes, we have the power to make changes, but =
lets not change it so much that we loose site of our roots.
I also would like to say that there are much more important things out =
there. I agree with Mark and Matt. The lack of reporting and dues =
being paid makes things really hard on the national office, your region =
staff, and your section staff. They'd love to hear your suggestions on =
making these situations better.
Kami Bush
Fall 1998
Clark Atlanta University Sponsor
Mu Mu Alumnus
Oglethorpe University '01
Section 72 Webmistress
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Very nice statement!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dues!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that's something. How can we =
have one of=20
the less expensive organizations to join, have tons of paper work to get =
done,=20
do everything else and forget to pay national dues?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If it is the students that don't have =
the=20
money, wouldn't it be service to the members to do a fundrasier to =
pay for=20
it? Do sectionals suggest and work with chapters in their fund =
raising=20
efforts. If their is one thing that can help chapters, it is the =
passing=20
of fundraising ideas through the sectional official.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jesse</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Though I agree with most of your comments there is one that I =
must=20
disagree with.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brother Sharon says:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Actually, one of the main reasons that women like myself are OK =
with=20
being<BR>calling "brothers" while working to get the Toast Song =
changed is=20
that we<BR>acknowledge that there is no single gender-neutral word in =
the=20
English<BR>language that would convey the relationship that we in =
Alpha Phi=20
Omega<BR>share, so "brother" is the next-best term. The same cannot be =
said=20
about<BR>the use of "Men Of" in the Toast Song. There are multiple =
phrases=20
that<BR>could be used to replace "Men Of" without diluting the meaning =
of the=20
Toast<BR>Song one little bit.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brother Kami responds:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Men and man have been used in large quantity to signify all of =
the human=20
race. ie. mankind, the age of man, etc. So the use of "men =
of"=20
actually includes all of us women. I personally don't think that =
we need=20
to change the Toast Song. To me its like changing the United =
States=20
National Anthem. Yes, we have the power to make changes, but =
lets not=20
change it so much that we loose site of our roots.</DIV>
<DIV>I also would like to say that there are much more important =
things out=20
there. I agree with Mark and Matt. The lack of reporting =
and dues=20
being paid makes things really hard on the national office, your =
region staff,=20
and your section staff. They'd love to hear your suggestions on =
making=20
these situations better.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kami Bush<BR>Fall 1998<BR>Clark Atlanta University Sponsor<BR>Mu =
Mu=20
Alumnus<BR>Oglethorpe University '01<BR>Section 72 Webmistress</DIV>
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