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Re: [APO-L] Toast Song: Majority versus Minority
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matt Cross)
Sat Jun 5 08:52:16 2004
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:51:48 -0400
Reply-To: section.74.chair@apo.org
From: Matt Cross <mrforklift@cfl.rr.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <001c01c44af4$3d543160$6401a8c0@mark>
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I fully agree with Mark's statements. When I go to Sectional and Regional
conferences, I hear students discussing membership issues and risk
management issues; the Toast Song is only discussed if there is a workshop
or a Regional/National staff-member mentions it.
At the last National Convention, students complained that they were caught
off-guard by the Fraternity's need to raise fees due to financial problems.
Should we not be addressing why that situation occurred and why it could
happen again due to reasons that are within Chapter controls (i.e., lack of
paying AAMD)?
Matt Cross
Alumnus -- Psi Omega
Alpha Phi Omega
mailto:mrforklift@cfl.rr.com
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From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] On
Behalf Of Mark Allen Stratton
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 7:57 AM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song: Majority versus Minority
I'll begin by saying that whether or not the Toast Song changes doesn't
affect me in the slightest, and I'll sing whatever Toast Song the Fraternity
adopts.
However, one point that Brother Chui makes:
>Do any of you think the Toast Song remaining at "men of" will ever tap the
full potential of the great and diverse brotherhood membership in Alpha >Phi
Omega?
Brothers, if the Toast Song either "makes or breaks" Alpha Phi Omega in
terms of full potential, than I believe we have much greater problems.
Folks, the Toast Song isn't the problem, in my opinion. It is something
much, much deeper, and we have to find out what it is.
If neither side is willing to give in on this Toast Song issue, maybe the
best thing (as some suggested) is to just get rid of it entirely.
We have REAL issues to address, Brothers: non-reporting of chapters;
chapters choosing to not bring in pledge classes; risk management issues;
competition with other service organizations on campus; volunteers who don't
do their jobs; and, of course, financial matters.
Please tell me where the Toast Song rates among those serious and important
issues. I will grant that the Toast Song is important to some people. If
we TRULY want to help the Fraternity grow, however, it is *my* opinion (and
only my opinion) that we have other, far more serious and complicated
problems that demand our immediate attention. What if we all took some time
to prioritize the issues and see what we come up with? I suspect that you
will find the Toast Song won't rate near the top.
Fraternally,
Mark
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class=3D521464412-05062004>At the last National Convention, students =
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Matt Cross<BR>Alumnus -- Psi Omega<BR>Alpha Phi =
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[mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark Allen=20
Stratton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 05, 2004 7:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APO-L] Toast Song: =
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versus Minority<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I'll begin by saying that whether or not the Toast =
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changes doesn't affect me in the slightest, and I'll sing whatever Toast =
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the Fraternity adopts.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, one point that Brother Chui=20
makes:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">>Do any of you think the Toast Song remaining at =
"men of"=20
will ever tap the full potential of the great and diverse brotherhood =
membership=20
in Alpha >Phi Omega? </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
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<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Brothers, if the Toast Song either "makes or =
breaks" Alpha=20
Phi Omega in terms of full potential, than I believe we have much =
greater=20
problems. Folks, the Toast Song isn't the problem, in my =
opinion. It=20
is something much, much deeper, and we have to find out what it =
is. =20
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">If neither side is willing to give in on this Toast =
Song=20
issue, maybe the best thing (as some suggested) is to just get rid of it =
entirely. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">We have REAL issues to address, Brothers: =
non-reporting=20
of chapters; chapters choosing to not bring in pledge classes; risk =
management=20
issues; competition with other service organizations on campus; =
volunteers who=20
don't do their jobs; and, of course, financial =
matters.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Please tell me where the Toast Song rates among =
those serious=20
and important issues. I will grant that the Toast Song is =
important to=20
some people. If we TRULY want to help the Fraternity grow, =
however, it is=20
*my* opinion (and only my opinion) that we have other, far more serious =
and=20
complicated problems that demand our immediate attention. What if =
we all=20
took some time to prioritize the issues and see what we come up =
with? I=20
suspect that you will find the Toast Song won't rate near the=20
top.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Fraternally,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Mark</DIV>
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