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Re: [APO-L] Jesse's email

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fuzzy Logic)
Thu Jun 3 22:08:07 2004

Date:         Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:09:37 -0400
Reply-To: Fuzzy Logic <fuzzman@m-net.arbornet.org>
From: Fuzzy Logic <fuzzman@m-net.arbornet.org>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <00d001c449d5$8ce16560$6101a8c0@Dell>

Jesse, just when I thought you "get it," you speak again.

Please don't open with an apology you don't mean.  I don't appreciate
being patronized.

Using such broad (and completely silly) generalizations truly shows where
you stand on an issue.  Gays are no more likely to vote on the side of
changing APO into a Sorority than any other particular group, and you even
_suggesting_ it is just showing that you are neither comfortable around,
not familiar with, gay men.

And your last paragraph reads like an excuse.  What if someone changed it
to read "I have no problem meeting black men, I've had conversations with
plenty.  I have no racism.  But I do recognize that some things that
appeals to them can be different than what appeals to white men and other
blacks for that matter."  It SMACKS of racism, despite this hypothetical
person's assertion that they have none.

Bottom line: by generalizing, you're really losing any ground you might
have gained.  Here's a hint: Not all people who share a characteristic
share the same views on everything.

Fuzzy
--
"Men may doubt what you say, but they will believe what you do."
*Lewis Cass {1782-1866 American Politician}

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Jesse Bridges wrote:

> Sorry for the offending.  Don't mean to be.  But I just being as realistic
> as possible.  It is just like you stated.  Many homosexuals still consider
> themselves as men.  But that will not stop them from being on the side of a
> vote to change Alpha Phi Omega into a national service sorority.  Let use
> this analogy, a female can use the argument that they have been calling
> themselves brothers for so long, why can't the guys call themselves sisters
> to show the same devotion.  Then what?
>
> I have no problem meeting homosexual men, I've had conversations with
> plenty.  I have no homophobia.  But I do recognize that some things that
> appeals to them can be different than what appeals to straight men and other
> homosexuals for that matter.
>
> jesse

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