[24067] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Differences in the Story behind the founding.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Gallagher)
Sun Dec 21 11:30:01 2003
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:29:48 -0500
Reply-To: Michael Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
From: Michael Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In part because I'm a detail person, I like the APO-Phil version presented,
although I am not sure how Randy knows this is the one in the ritual in the
Philippines. I particularly like the 4th, 5th, & 8th paragraphs.
I can't argue with the Scout Oath & Law strengthening people, but if Frank
Reed Horton
wanted to strengthen those who WERE Scouts, the Oath & Law were already in
place in those people. [I dug into my university's archives & found APO
several times in the yearbook when we had one listed under 'honoraries' in
the '50s & '60s...the reaction some I talked to was "Back then, Scouts were
honorary." Further & stricter adherence to be desired, I suppose assuming
there has been a detraction]. I guess further strengthening was why APO
added more than the Oath & Law & existed in the first place also to
reenforce them.
What became of the Mound Builders who didn't join APO? I am having
difficulty myself distinguishing APO (& the OA for that matter) as not being
secret but having their own private, kept-within-the-brotherhood rituals.
As APO-Phil only admits former Scouts & Guides, its telling seems more
fitting to them. Yes, APO fills the void that Horton thought would be a
problem now that we admit any student, but are we detracting from the Oath &
Law in doing so? How much are our members upholding our behavioral
standards & principles (Oath & Law, but also that which was added)? A very
broad vague question I suppose.
I think we can come back to the Oath & Law because one does not have to be a
former Scout or Guide to accept them. I can't cite any old Baden-Powell or
other WOSM/WAGGGS/independent/CF founder references (the Oath & Law are
different throughout the world & time but the idea the same), but I'm sure
they'd support this idea.
Michael Gallagher----- Original Message -----
From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" <Randolph.Finder@ngb.army.mil>
To: <APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: [APO-L] Differences in the Story behind the founding.
> I found online the "In the beginning" that the brothers and sisters of
> APO-Phil learn and was fascinated to see how the texts are different. The
> APO-Phil text is almost twice the length. My guess is that the APO-USA
> version was edited at one point, though both probably have changed some.
> APO-Phil: http://apobaste.com/APO1925.htm
> APO-USA: http://www.valpo.edu/student/apo/apohistory.html
>
> I'd love to see how the two of these compare to what the APO-USA brothers
> used in the 1950s, when APO-Phil was started.
>
> YiLFS
> Randy Finder
>
