[6882] in APO Printshop
Re: training question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ellen Kranzer)
Thu Sep 24 19:16:56 2015
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1509241500520.59850@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu>
Cc: Benazeer Noorani <benazeer@gmail.com>,
"apo-president@mit.edu" <apo-president@mit.edu>,
"apo-printshop-journeyman@mit.edu" <apo-printshop-journeyman@mit.edu>
From: Ellen Kranzer <ccrazy@panix.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:56:33 -0400
To: "Leonard H Tower Jr." <tower@alum.mit.edu>
I pretty much agree with most of what Lem said here, other than the part abo=
ut billing people when they do a personal job as a training or qualifying ru=
n. I'm pretty sure one of mine was a job for myself and I got to write up my=
own bill and was reminded that I couldn't take the job out of the shop unti=
l I had paid.=20
I actually think it is a bad idea not to charge someone. If they don't get c=
harged then they don't learn how to write up an invoice. That is definitely a=
n area where doing is better than having it explained to you for remembering=
the procedure
-- Ellen
Sent from my iPod
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Leonard H Tower Jr. <tower@alum.mit.edu> wrot=
e:
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> [I Cc:ed the apo-president mailing list as Maggie asked the question.]
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> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 13:43:10 -0400
> From: Benazeer Noorani <benazeer@gmail.com>
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> Hi all,
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> Maggie (the current chapter president) just asked me if it is possible t=
o
> train two people on the press at the same time. I've never heard of such=
a
> thing, and my instinct is to say no, because so much of the learning is
> hands-on, and there's little space and, obviously, only one press. Howev=
er,
> I thought I'd ask you folks if there's any precedence for this?
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> YiS
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> Benazeer
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> I welcome other feedback on this.
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> This is one of those ideas, that seem like a good idea, but didn't
> work out. (At his suggestion, Mitch and I tried this as an experiment
> in the past.) I don't recommend repeating it:
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> * Benazeer points all turned out valid in practice.
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> * We found when some of them went on to be qualified, that they all
> had learned significantly less during the training run, including
> safety of people, and taking care of the equipment. Enough less
> that we almost didn't qualify them, and was on-hand for their first
> few runs as new press-ops.
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> The focus brought on just one trainee is important to each trainee
> becoming trained & qualified to use the shop safely, etc.
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> * The entire training run takes longer, as both trainees have to do
> each of the hands on parts separately. (One press, one lock-up
> table, etc.) Which consume more of each active's time. (Yes,
> doing it one trainee at a time mean more journeyman time, which has
> been worth it to me to increase safe use of the shop.)
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> * The shop is crowded with just two people in it. Even more so
> when two trainees are typesetting two different jobs.
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> Also, Benazeer & Keshlam are just starting out as journeymen doing
> training runs, and it seems wise to me to not have them training more
> than one person at a time.
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> I don't see any reason why they can't teach training runs together,
> though I don't remember this being done in the past. (Yes, we have
> had new journeymen observe training runs in the past-a good idea.) I
> look forward to feedback on how two-teacher training runs work out.)
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> I also recommend that:
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> * new press ops print in teams. This has worked out well in the
> past.
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> * a journeyman try to be present for the first few runs, until the
> new press ops have gained experience. I've done this often over
> the years. Definitely for the two decades (not contiguous) I was
> lead journeyman. I distributed type, and sometimes read (and in
> recent decades: email and Internet). =20
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> I found it best to hot "hover" over the new press-op, and wait for
> them to ask a question.
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> I note that some trainees/qualifiers have done business or calling
> cards for themselves. We have in the past not charged them for stock
> or press use fees for either a training or qualifying run.
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> yiLFS -len
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