[6705] in APO Printshop
Re: FW: W20 access to rooms 450 and 454
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Leonard H Tower Jr.)
Sat Jul 13 07:36:35 2013
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:36:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Leonard H Tower Jr." <tower@alum.mit.edu>
To: Ashley Davis <ashdavis@mit.edu>
cc: John Hawkinson <jhawk@mit.edu>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>,
"lsc@mit.edu" <lsc@mit.edu>, "apo-exec@mit.edu" <apo-exec@mit.edu>,
apo-printshop@mit.edu, apo-silkscreen@mit.edu
In-Reply-To: <CAEXJ+7gARa4nsz4JkwO6eo9ckd2ROF-5m-mAdprzMio_fTEfqA@mail.gmail.com>
Ashley:
I agree. I hope that nothing in W20-454 is damaged.
Your best chance at getting better consideration is for the students
to get some Faculty and Deans involved. Maybe get reps from most of
the activities with space involved.
Might also point out that LSC and APO are both community service
organizations that would have loved to help the contractor out by
moving stuff, if you only had a week's notice, instead of less than a
day.
best -Len Tower, Jr. MIT '71, APO and LSC alumnus
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 06:27:06 -0400
From: Ashley Davis <ashdavis@MIT.EDU>
To: Leonard H Tower Jr. <tower@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: John Hawkinson <jhawk@mit.edu>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>,
"lsc@mit.edu" <lsc@mit.edu>, "apo-exec@mit.edu" <apo-exec@mit.edu>,
apo-printshop@mit.edu, apo-silkscreen@mit.edu
Subject: Re: FW: W20 access to rooms 450 and 454
The thing is, Claudette's email indicates that 1) they knew this project
was going on for some time; and 2) they are concerned about the "sensitive
items" we have in there. But how concerned can they be if they give us such
inefficient notice that we are unable to move them? They're just paying lip
service to the reasonable expectations of their job. And asking for a same
day walk through the space? Are they the only people's whose time is
important, that they think everyone else can drop what they're doing and
rush over there? Yet they ask that we, the people who aren't getting paid
to do their jobs, be patient and understanding...of what? Incompetence? The
inability for them to dig deep and tell the contractors they can't spring a
last minute scheduling of work to be done in certain rooms? If we can't
move them in time and the contractors move them, and break something, are
they paying for that?
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Leonard H Tower Jr. <tower@alum.mit.edu>wrote:
> John:
>
> The sad thing, is if we had had a week's notice, APO & LSC could have
> given the contractor much more working space in W20-454.
>
> I don't know who Mike Foley is. But the senior administration expects
> all staff to treat all Alumni with respect.
>
> It seems absurd to me to expect students to respond to this kind of
> request in less than a day. Especially in the summer, when many
> students are off-campus.
>
> Perhaps you should talk with several Deans, and see if they understand
> these absurdities. If yes, see if they can get the CAC to change it's
> policies, give more notice, and otherwise improve communication with
> students.
>
> I'm going to ask the APO students to change the way these incoming
> emails are handled, so the APO officers/managers concerned with space,
> i.e. W20-415 and W20-454 get the emails directly.
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:30:50 -0400
> From: John Hawkinson <jhawk@MIT.EDU>
> To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
> Cc: "apo-exec@mit.edu" <apo-exec@mit.edu>, lsc@mit.edu,
> apo-printshop@mit.edu, apo-silkscreen@mit.edu
> Subject: Re: FW: W20 access to rooms 450 and 454
>
> Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU> wrote on Fri, 12 Jul 2013
> at 20:11:23 -0400 in <
> alpine.GSO.1.10.1307122009160.26275@multics.mit.edu>:
>
> > >Only one day notice???? (from CAC???).
> > >[Sigh ** Sigh]
> >
> > It seems a habit, see also
> https://diswww.mit.edu/menelaus/asa-exec/7394
>
> I received some very rude oral (or so it seemed to me) pushback from
> Mike Foley on that email today. <<Who am *I* to make such a request of
> HIS MANAGER?>>, etc.
>
> Though apparently the dumpster is there for other serendipitous
> purposes.
>
> I haven't quite figured out how to respond, but I'd sort of be happy if
> someone else supported me on this one.
>
> --jhawk
>
>
