[6268] in APO Printshop
Re: Re: Vice on table
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Leonard H Tower Jr.)
Fri Jan 28 16:00:47 2011
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:00:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "Leonard H Tower Jr." <tower@alum.mit.edu>
To: PiperXP@gmail.com
cc: Catherine Olsson <catherio@mit.edu>,
Charley Hamilton <charley.hamilton@gmail.com>,
Mitchell E Berger <mitchb@mit.edu>, apo-printshop@mit.edu,
rhkeeler@mit.edu, "apo-president@mit.edu" <apo-president@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <00163646dad026392f049ae1c7c2@google.com>
Compromise?
No.
Just trying to force a decision on me.
Compromise would be working with me to try to meet the all the goals,
WITHOUT adding to the time that it takes me to do the Service you ask
of me.
I asked Catherine several times for the goals of this reorg. And this
group of email addresses once. Nothing that makes any sense back. In
fact, what little I've been told is in PiperX's email below,
I answered Catherine's emails when I was in FL, about the Shop and the
reorg. I was visiting my father who is 86 and ailing. I asked
Catherine if we couldn't meet when I got back. She wasn't interested.
It's hard to try and suggest compromises when i'm left in the dark
like this.
I offered one compromise thar makes sense granted the little you have
shared with me of your goals.
Here's another. Get rid of the thin narrow table next to the coke
frig (on the yellow wall shared with W20-413). Lower the blue shelves
to the floor. Put the white shelves with office supplies and
equipment on the table with the vice. The table also works as a
workstation to use the office equipment. Store things underneath,
Find other ways to use it. Add a stool so people, who wish can sit nd
work there.
There is some strange twisted logic going on here. That it's OK to
ask a 61 year old to do service for you, but it's also OK to make it
harder on him than it already is.
Comments?
Anyone want to accept one of my compromises or work towards another?
Sincerely
Leonard H. Tower Jr.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:00:06 +0000
From: PiperXP@gmail.com
To: Leonard H Tower Jr. <tower@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: Catherine Olsson <catherio@MIT.EDU>,
Charley Hamilton <charley.hamilton@gmail.com>,
Mitchell E Berger <mitchb@MIT.EDU>, apo-printshop@MIT.EDU,
rhkeeler@MIT.EDU, "apo-president@mit.edu" <apo-president@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re: Vice on table
Charley, could you elaborate on what you meant about mounting the vice to the
wall? If it's intended to be mounted with a table, I misunderstood :)
> The Press Shop needs are meet by the current vise and table.
Sure, but the actives' needs aren't being met. We want a clean and
easy-to-navigate office, and the current vise table gets in the way. It
appears to me that Catherine&co are trying very hard to reach a compromise,
and would appreciate flexibility from the print shop with regard to space
that is not dedicated to it.
On Jan 28, 2011 12:18am, "Leonard H Tower Jr." <tower@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:14:50 -0500
> From: Catherine Olsson catherio@MIT.EDU>
> Thanks so much for the suggestion, Charley! I'm glad you have the technical
> know-how to understand what would be involved - I sure don't =).
> I'm *sure* it will be easier to find a bit of space for a wall-mounted vice
> than for an entire waist-height table, and there will be more layout
> freedom
> for future rearrangements too. Presshop, would this be feasible for your
> needs?
> What Charley has in mind is about the same size and height as the
> current table. You need a certain amount of working space to use a
> vice. An ideal workbench would be a good bit longer.
> He's concerned about use of the vise being safer. What he proposed
> will also make for a vise that is easier to use. So, Charley is
> offering to design two things:
> * A super stiff, super strong workbench for a vice. To do this on
> a narrow base, or without floor contact (hanging the workbench on the
> wall as a cantilever) would probably add a lot to the cost, and add an
> large multiplier to the forces exerted on the wall.
> * a super strong way to attach this workbench to one of the
> APOffice walls, so it can't be tipped over, or moved.
> Ataching the workbench to the wall, requires information from the
> Department of Facilities (Charley knew it as 'Physical Plant') on how
> the walls are constructed, and exactly what kind of masonry they are.
> Facilities could well want approval from the CAC. Facilities might
> not want the walls to have this much force exerted on them. They have
> a legitimate concern that the walls not be damaged or worse fail.
> They might not want to let the information off campus, or accept a
> design by Charley.
> Note that the forces involved are different and significantly more
> intense, than mounting a storage shelf on a wall.
> If AX wants to go to this expense, it might make sense to buy a vice
> that is larger, has more features, is easier to use, etc.
> IMHO, the minuses outweigh the pluses here (if the actives want me to
> expand on that please ask), but that's a decision for the actives to
> make.
> The Press Shop needs are meet by the current vise and table.
> yiLFS -len
> PS: A minus? Having something fixed to a wall constrains APOffice
> reorgs. They are hard to move. How might the APOffice work better if
> the largest bulletin board or the vertical floor to ceiling chalk
> board were moved, or gone?
> On 01/26/2011 10:59 PM, Charley Hamilton wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Mitchell E Bergermitchb@mit.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Folding table we can store in the printshop, maybe near the Dexion's
> > > usual home? That would be a little less high than the existing
> > > table, but mostly satisfies the height need. It satisfies the
> > > working room need because you can take it out and place it wherever
> > > you want to work. It does not satisfy the thickness or sturdiness
> > > goals, but we could perhaps get an additional piece of wood about
> > > the same dimension as the folding table's top, stored in the same
> > > place, that can be put on top of it when you want to use the vice
> > > to thicken and reinforce it.
> > >
> > > This table could potentially find other uses, too - maybe for
> > > ironing silkscreened shirts in the office.
> > >
> > > Mitch
> >
> > Regarding mounting of bench vises, I have a 6" jaw vise mounted in my
> > garage on a home-built workbench. The workbench weighs in excess of
> > 600# (including all of the misc tools inside) and I still manage to
> > tip it occasionally when working with the vise. Any "tabletop"
> > solution would need to have adequate mass to resist uplift/overturning
> > while using the vise.
> >
> > Is there a location in the APOffice where the vise could be mounted to
> > a wall? How averse are folks to discussing placement of a 2-3 epoxy
> > anchors into the CMU walls with Phys Plant? I can probably work up a
> > design (being an structural engineer comes in handy that way) that
> > could resist the necessary design forces if the Press Shop and Exec
> > Comm can agree on a home.
> >
> > If the masonry wall is grouted (Phys Plant's structural drawings and a
> > 1C or Phys Plant engineer to read them could answer this), it could
> > even be done with something like a Simpson Titen HD anchor. That
> > would only require drilling the holes in the masonry, and driving the
> > screw anchor in place. APO could rent the hardware to do the install
> > (Hilti rotary hammer drill and an impact driver) from Home Depot's
> > rental department, and the whole thing would be removable (unlike an
> > epoxy anchor, which would need to be cut off flush) if the APOffice
> > ever moves.
> >
> > If this is of interest, and somebody can give me a description of the
> > vise and what it is used for, I could back-of-the envelope a
> > wall-mounted solution that APO could price. That way, Exec Comm and
> > the Press Shop could consider cost in their decision.
> >
> >
> > YiLFS,
> >
> > Charley
