[4504] in java-interest
fresco vs. java
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Farshid Ketabchi)
Wed Jan 3 15:52:23 1996
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:07:22 -0800
From: Farshid Ketabchi <farshidk@faslab.com>
To: java-interest@java.sun.com
Cc: farshidk@faslab.com
this is from the fresco mailing list. any commnets on this?
farshid
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From fresco-mailer@x.org Tue Jan 2 16:22:46 1996
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:23:49 -0800
From: tim@protocol.com (Tim Brinson)
To: barth@sandbagger.isf.rl.af.mil
Cc: fresco@x.org
Subject: Re: Status of Fresco - anything happening?
Steve Barth writes:
> Along with recent message senders, I am also wondering what's
> happening with Fresco. However, for my own project, since it involves a
> requirement for a WWW interface, I've switched to using Java. And I wonder
> if the release of Java has dampened other object-oriented GUI development
> efforts. Though I think Fresco and other C++ toolkits have a lot
> more power and flexibility, Java applets seem to be all the rage.
After looking at the Java AWT (Another Window Toolkit) I was
disappointed it did not contain more advanced UI technology such as
Fresco and Interviews has. My understanding is that it was designed
after Tk and it seems to provide quite a bit of functionality for
the not so serious GUI programmer.
I have seen press releases from Sun, SGI, and Macromedia where they
are working on providing Java applets for controlling VRML and
multimedia applications on the web. For this they are obviously
going to need something with features like Fresco has. It would be
too bad if they create YAWT (Yet Another Windowing Toolkit).
If any of you know people involved with Java system development at
Sun, SGI, or Macromedia you should at least inform them of the
advanced technology of Fresco. It really looks like Fresco would
compliment the Java and HTML stuff that is out there now as well as
giving an IDL interface to VRML.
A lot of know that a lot of the concepts in Fresco and Interviews
will eventually make it into main stream GUI toolkits. This is a
historical time with the growth of Java and the internet. I hopy we
don't have to wait until the next generation (5-10 years) to find
commercial support for this kind of technology.
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From fresco-mailer@x.org Tue Jan 2 16:43:16 1996
From: Larry.Cable@Eng.Sun.COM
To: tim@protocol.com (Tim Brinson)
Cc: fresco@x.org
Subject: Re: Status of Fresco - anything happening?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 16:44:42 -0800
> After looking at the Java AWT (Another Window Toolkit) I was
> disappointed it did not contain more advanced UI technology such as
> Fresco and Interviews has. My understanding is that it was designed
> after Tk and it seems to provide quite a bit of functionality for
> the not so serious GUI programmer.
>
> I have seen press releases from Sun, SGI, and Macromedia where they
> are working on providing Java applets for controlling VRML and
> multimedia applications on the web. For this they are obviously
> going to need something with features like Fresco has. It would be
> too bad if they create YAWT (Yet Another Windowing Toolkit).
>
> If any of you know people involved with Java system development at
> Sun, SGI, or Macromedia you should at least inform them of the
> advanced technology of Fresco. It really looks like Fresco would
> compliment the Java and HTML stuff that is out there now as well as
> giving an IDL interface to VRML.
I could not agree more, but its still early days, I can only hope
that market pressures and the constraints of being platform portable
do not result in another rehashed melange of GUI mediocrity ... or
YAMWT!
Frankly I think the next person to attempt to reinvent another GUI API
should be taken out and shot, which is not beyond the bounds of
imagination should Microsoft become omnipotent!
8^)
On a more serious note, I have forwarded your e-mail onto a responsible
individual within JavaSoft ....
- Larry. "put your pushbutton implementation down and come out
with your hands up and noboday will get hurt"
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