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Re: Java outside the web.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (R.Volkmann)
Fri Nov 17 12:13:37 1995
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:27:56 -0600
From: "R.Volkmann" <m224873@svxtrm14.mdc.com>
To: matt@shire.math.columbia.edu
Cc: mlorton@eshop.com, java-interest@java.Eng.Sun.COM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951116100442.11739D-100000@gandalf.math.columbia.edu> (matt@shire.math.columbia.edu)
Reply-To: "R. Mark Volkmann"<m224873@svmstr01.mdc.com>
>Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:16:46 -0500 (EST)
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>Hi Michael, et al.,
>
>On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Michael Lorton wrote:
>
>> > (3) Does anybody think that Java might be useful outside the Web
>> > world? Is it still advisable to use Java if I am not programmi ng for
>> > Web?
>>
>I have been programming and teaching C++ for a while and one of the biggest
>problems about C++ is that while it is rather easy to learn. It is rather
>hard to program effectively. By this, I mean that to use C++ really well,
>you have to be a *very* careful programmer.
Your response is right on target! Programming effectively in C++ requires
a lot of reading. Books like "C++ Primer" by Lippman and "Effective C++" by
Meyers help immensely but few programmers are going to take the time to
read them or other books. Bad C++ can be worse than bad C so unleashing the
complexity of C++ to the masses is a scary thing.
>This is where (IMHO) Java comes in. After programming for the past few
>months in Java, I have found that it lets you get *very* far in *real*
>programming *without* having to worry to much (for example about memory
>management). Furthermore, its syntax is very like C/++. This makes Java
>an *excellent* candidate for a bridge between C and C++.
Many may wish to stop right there (at Java) and not proceed to C++.
>I think it could
>be the perfect language for an introduction to OO techniques, allowing for
>the versatility of programming network and graphical applications with
>the ease of use that is rarely found elsewhere.
IMO, the only other place it is found is Smalltalk. I would have preferred
that the syntax of Java be based on Smalltalk than C++ but the market has
spoken. Maybe someday there will be a Smalltalk-like version of Java that
generates the same byte code. Wishful thinking I know.
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