[1212] in java-interest
Re: The future of Java
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey Olson)
Fri Aug 25 22:46:30 1995
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 17:29:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: Jeffrey Olson <jeffrey@InternetOne.COM>
Reply-To: Jeffrey Olson <jeffrey@InternetOne.COM>
To: java-interest@java.sun.com
To Barton et al,
Who cares if Blackbird integrates all of the crappy monolithic
software from Microsoft --integrates those clunky "pigs of code" to MSN
and Gate's "big-brother" snooper services. Maybe the legions of dolts who
have blindly supported DOS and the various win-doze mutations will get
out onto the net and see that there is a vibrant culture of computer
users, makers, programmers..etc. that have rejected their backwards-
compatable shackles long ago. True competition creates superior products,
ones that people will support whole-heartedly. A micro-soft world would
be very small and slimey indeed. Rather, with foundations like java and
open-doc... the future will see people creating and sharing tools of
their own creation - on a global-web "non-platform" that is more like the
basis of a language - not a corporate-owned product/prison. The need for
a "platform" is becoming extinct.. only open protocols, languages and
minds are required. The continuing usage of closed languages like
visual basic by a few unimaginative serfs is a waste of time for everyone.
Sun doesn't have to make money on everything they do; java is a gift
whose rewards will come because of the kind of company Sun is. Unlike
microsoft- their platform and network position is all or nothing. I think
MSN will have numbers to point of bloating disatisfaction down the road.
When all those fools are on the same stinking ship are looking at what great
vessels the rest of the computing universe hath created, well, you get the
picture...
Jeffrey
I access/own several clocks, clockfaces and time-zones
(Irix/open,X-win/SunOS4.x/Solaris2.x/Nextstep/MacOS)
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On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, John Barton wrote:
>
>
> Glen writes:
> [moaning deleted]
>
> >I guess one thing that makes me nervous is that I don't understand how Sun
> >intends to make money from Java. If they don't know either, then it's
> >unlikely that they will go to a lot of effort to push it which will
> >handicap it in the market. I can imagine that Microsoft could well be
> >planning a combo of a netscape-killer browser built right into every copy
> >of Windows along with a special java-killer version of Visual Basic
for web
> >applets. The perfect integration of Windows, Microsoft Office, and the
web.
> >If Sun is thinking of Java as a "science project", I'm afraid Microsoft
> >will clean their clock with a version of VB that is both vastly
inferior to
> >Java and vastly better marketed.
>
> Glen, why do you say "I can imagine that Microsoft could well" be
> "planning" a java-killer? I thought that Blackbird, Microsoft's
downloadable
> OLE control scheme that is used on Microsoft Network, already does all of
> the things you mentioned, most especially "perfect integration of Windows,
> Microsoft Office, and the web". The OLE controls are harder to write than
> java applets, but content providers could care less. They have all the
> controls the world ever needs: connections to Microsoft Word, Microsoft
Excel,
> and so on. I wonder if the java clock is already spiffy-clean.
>
> John.
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