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Re: Netscape Changes RSA tree

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ron Daniel Jr.)
Fri Apr 21 14:14:40 1995

From: "Ron Daniel Jr." <rdaniel@acl.lanl.gov>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:59:15 -0600
In-Reply-To: cwilson@spry.com
        "Re: Netscape Changes RSA tree" (Apr 20,  8:28am)
reply-to: rdaniel@lanl.gov
To: cwilson@spry.com
Cc: www-security@ns1.rutgers.edu, lkn@llnl.gov
Errors-To: owner-www-security@ns2.rutgers.edu

Thus spoke cwilson@spry.com:   (at least on Apr 20 at  8:28am)

> The need for a "universally trusted" root exists, and the possibility of 
> that being government-based gives me the willies.  I can't think of any party 
> that could be said to be completely disinterested. 

Your last sentence is the crucial one. I seriously doubt that any
universally trusted entity will ever exist, and I certainly don't see
one arising in the timescales that concern us for Internet standards.
You are absolutely correct (IMHO) to fear a government-based
certification system for your corporate or personal use. Compromise is
only a court-order away. For my employer's role as a lab dealing with
classified information, I think we have equally legitimate fears about
commercial certification services. (Although they might be fine for
sensitive but unclassified information).

However, even if we have a government-based system that we Yanks all
trust (Ha!) it is far from universally trusted. Do you think North Korea
will trust a system run by the US Govt.? Vice versa? Do you think the US
Congress would buy off on a certification scheme run by the UN? We don't
even place our soldiers under the command of foreign generals in UN
operations.

I suggest that we are best off forgetting about universal trust and
focusing our efforts on the architecture for an inter-realm authentication
mechanism. Then, depending on where a certificate comes from, we can decide
how much faith to place in it.


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Advanced Computing Lab             voice: (505) 665 0597
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