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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Knitting" in Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Tue Oct 28 23:00:21 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:59:55 -0400
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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=46rom the looks of it, someone misplaced a blank space. {tlhIngan =
mu=E2=80=99vaD muv} makes more sense than {tlhIngan mu=E2=80=99 vaDmuv}. =
There are not many polysyllabic verb roots.
Anyway, thanks for {nIq} and {Hut=E2=80=99Inmey tIq}. One suspects that =
since a stitch in time saves nine, that {Hut} suggests there=E2=80=99s a =
pun here, though =E2=80=9Cnine bells=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cnine drums=E2=80=
=9D doesn=E2=80=99t make the specific pun obvious to me yet.
Is there some translation for crochet that would fill in the missing =
piece? You use sticks for crochet, not weaving.
It would be hard to talk about weaving without a word for a loom, or for =
that matter, the various types of loom. I=E2=80=99ve used jack looms, =
counter-march looms and a couple others that I=E2=80=99ve forgotten the =
names of=E2=80=A6
I made a =E2=80=9CV=E2=80=9D shaped shawl once with the two legs of the =
shawl woven through each other =E2=80=94 warp for one is the weft for =
the other, with alternating stripes of basket-weave and twill. Creme and =
lavender. It took an 8-harness jack loom to make it. No minor process.
lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
> On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:38 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On 29 Jun 2013 02:13, "ghunchu'wI'" <qunchuy@alcaco.net =
<mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net>> wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2013, at 2:57 AM, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com =
<mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I recently came across someone using *{vaDmuv} as a verb meaning =
"to knit" (e.g., a sweater) on Twitter. [...]
> >
> > I tracked the origin to the now defunct tweetinklingon.com =
<http://tweetinklingon.com/> web site, which was part of the promotions =
for the Star Trek Online game. It saved the original English for each =
mock-Klingon tweet so readers could "translate" what was sent. Those =
records are no longer available, but based on other samples of its =
output I am pretty sure that "tlhIngan mu' vaDmuv" came from "Klingon =
word for join", with the English input being "Anybody know the Klingon =
word for join, knitting or knitter?"
>=20
> This story about knitting came up on Facebook recently, and I drew =
Marc Okrand's attention to it. Here's what he had to say:
> <Maltz isn't on FaceBook, but I talked with him about it.
>=20
> He said he does not knit and, in fact, wasn't quite sure what knitting =
was. I explained. He said there is a word perhaps best translated as =
"weave" and that he has heard of using sticks when doing a certain kind =
of weaving, but he didn't know a name for that other than weaving. =
(There are apparently other types of weaving also.)
>=20
> The word for "weave" (verb) is {nIq}.
>=20
> For the sticks used when doing whatever this weaving technique is, =
he's only heard {Hut'Inmey tIq}.
>=20
> Hope this helps.>
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> --=20
> De'vID
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">=46rom the looks of it, someone misplaced a =
blank space. {tlhIngan mu=E2=80=99vaD muv} makes more sense than =
{tlhIngan mu=E2=80=99 vaDmuv}. There are not many polysyllabic verb =
roots.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Anyway, =
thanks for {nIq} and {Hut=E2=80=99Inmey tIq}. One suspects that since a =
stitch in time saves nine, that {Hut} suggests there=E2=80=99s a pun =
here, though =E2=80=9Cnine bells=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cnine drums=E2=80=9D =
doesn=E2=80=99t make the specific pun obvious to me yet.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Is there some =
translation for crochet that would fill in the missing piece? You use =
sticks for crochet, not weaving.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It would be hard to talk about weaving =
without a word for a loom, or for that matter, the various types of =
loom. I=E2=80=99ve used jack looms, counter-march looms and a couple =
others that I=E2=80=99ve forgotten the names of=E2=80=A6</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I made a =E2=80=9CV=E2=80=9D=
shaped shawl once with the two legs of the shawl woven through each =
other =E2=80=94 warp for one is the weft for the other, with alternating =
stripes of basket-weave and twill. Creme and lavender. It took an =
8-harness jack loom to make it. No minor process.</div><br class=3D""><div=
class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"">lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =
=E2=80=98utlh</div><div class=3D"">Door Repair Guy, Retired =
Honorably</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:38 PM, De'vID <<a =
href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">
On 29 Jun 2013 02:13, "ghunchu'wI'" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net" class=3D"">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D"">
><br class=3D"">
> On Jun 27, 2013, at 2:57 AM, "De'vID" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"">
>><br class=3D"">
>> I recently came across someone using *{vaDmuv} as a verb =
meaning "to knit" (e.g., a sweater) on Twitter. [...]<br class=3D"">
><br class=3D"">
> I tracked the origin to the now defunct <a =
href=3D"http://tweetinklingon.com/" class=3D"">tweetinklingon.com</a> =
web site, which was part of the promotions for the Star Trek Online =
game. It saved the original English for each mock-Klingon tweet so =
readers could "translate" what was sent. Those records are no longer =
available, but based on other samples of its output I am pretty sure =
that "tlhIngan mu' vaDmuv" came from "Klingon word for join", with the =
English input being "Anybody know the Klingon word for join, knitting or =
knitter?"</p><p dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">This story about knitting came up =
on Facebook recently, and I drew Marc Okrand's attention to it. Here's =
what he had to say:<br class=3D"">
<Maltz isn't on FaceBook, but I talked with him about it.</p><p =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">He said he does not knit and, in fact, wasn't =
quite sure what knitting was. I explained. He said there is =
a word perhaps best translated as "weave" and that he has heard of using =
sticks when doing a certain kind of weaving, but he didn't know a name =
for that other than weaving. (There are apparently other types of =
weaving also.)</p><p dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">The word for "weave" (verb) =
is {<b class=3D"">nIq</b>}.</p><p dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">For the =
sticks used when doing whatever this weaving technique is, he's only =
heard {<b class=3D"">Hut'Inmey</b><b class=3D""> tIq</b>}.</p><p =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Hope this helps.></p><p dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">-- <br class=3D"">
De'vID<br class=3D"">
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