[99376] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: Catholic priest seeks recording of prayer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Fri Aug 15 01:06:48 2014
From: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 00:06:33 -0500
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> From: a.appleyard@btinternet.com
> CC: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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> ... I'm much more bothered by phrases like=2C "especially"=2C "Only-begot=
ten son"=2C "intercession"=2C and "Bishop". ...
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> "Bishop" came from Ancient Greek "epi-skopos" =3D "over-looker"=2C i.e. o=
ne who oversees the running of the Church in his area.
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And the award for completely missing the point goes to...
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Anyway=2C let me be clear. I do not expect a project like this to convert =
anyone to Christianity and I wouldn't expect fictional Klingons to have any=
interest in this. However=2C I do hope there are a few members of the Rom=
an church that are also science fiction fans who can appreciate this and ma=
ybe even develop an interest in tlhIngan Hol because of it. And even if it=
never converts anyone in either direction (i.e. speaker to Christ or Chris=
tian to Hol) it was a project that I had an interest in so it could easily =
inspire me to do some extra activity with the language.
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There are probably some things in my translation that are questionable=2C b=
ut I'm sure this is much better than the nonsense that's currently up there=
. However=2C I welcome suggestions for improvement and so I offer this her=
e first for critique before I send it to Father Z. Terms that the Roman ch=
urch tends to have specialized words for regardless of language have been t=
ransliterated and marked in curly brackets. Feel free to debate any contro=
versial subjects that I have stirred up=2C but unless you offer me an alter=
native that I find acceptable=2C don't expect it to change the translation =
that I will offer to Father Z.
weQmoQnaQDaq Surarpa=92 tayvam yIjatlh:
=91o Qun=92a=92=2C SoH HoS law=92 Hoch HoS puS =91ej reH bItaHtaH. juchenm=
oH =91ej pIrur. Hoch QaQ=2C Hoch teH=2C Hoch =91IH je DInej =91e=92 Dara=
=92. SoHvo=92 boghbogh puqloD neH ghaH {yeSu=92 QISto=92=92e=92} =91ej Qun=
porgh ghaH =91ej joH=92a=92ma=92 ghaH. ghaHDaq QaQwI=92=2C teHwI=92=2C =
=91IHwI=92 je DInejnIS je. {bISop} Qel je {San =91ISIDor} =91ej nuboQ =91e=
=92 wIqoy=92. weQmoQnaQDaq malengtaHvIS ghopDu=92majvaD mInDu=92majvaD je =
nIbelmoHbogh Dochmey neH yIghoSmoH =91ej Hoch nuv wIghomboghvaD ghoberghHa=
=92moH =91ej ghotuvmoH. joH=92a=92ma=92 ghaHbogh QISto=92vo=92 wItlhob. {=
=91amen}. A prayer before logging onto the internet: Almighty and eternal =
God=2C who created us in Thine image and bade us to seek after all that is =
good=2C true and beautiful=2C especially in the divine person of Thine Only=
-begotten Son=2C our Lord Jesus Christ=2C grant=2C we beseech Thee=2C that=
=2C through the intercession of Saint Isidore=2C Bishop and Doctor=2C durin=
g our journeys through the internet we will direct our hands and eyes only =
to that which is pleasing to Thee and treat with charity and patience all t=
hose souls whom we encounter. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
Jeremy =0A=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">>=3B From: a.appleyard@btinternet.com<br>>=3B CC: tlhi=
ngan-hol@kli.org<br>>=3B <br>>=3B ... I'm much more bothered by phrases=
like=2C "especially"=2C "Only-begotten son"=2C "intercession"=2C and "Bish=
op". ...<br>>=3B <br>>=3B "Bishop" came from Ancient Greek "epi-skopos=
" =3D "over-looker"=2C i.e. one who oversees the running of the Church in h=
is area.<br> =3B<br>And the award for completely missing the point goes=
to...<br> =3B<br>Anyway=2C let me be clear. =3B I do not expect a =
project like this to convert anyone to Christianity and I wouldn't expect f=
ictional Klingons to have any interest in this. =3B However=2C I do hop=
e there are a few members of the Roman church that are also science fiction=
fans who can appreciate this and maybe even develop an interest in tlhInga=
n Hol because of it. =3B And even if it never converts anyone in either=
direction (i.e. speaker to Christ or Christian to Hol) it was a project th=
at I had an interest in so it could easily inspire me to do some extra acti=
vity with the language.<br> =3B<br>There are probably some things in my=
translation that are questionable=2C but I'm sure =3Bthis is much bett=
er than the nonsense that's currently up there. =3B However=2C I welcom=
e suggestions for improvement and so I offer this here first for critique b=
efore I send it to Father Z. =3B Terms that the Roman church tends to&n=
bsp=3Bhave specialized words for regardless of language have been translite=
rated and marked in =3Bcurly brackets. =3B Feel free to debate any =
controversial subjects that I have stirred up=2C but unless you offer me an=
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=2C 255)=3B"><font face=3D"Courier New">=91o Qun=92a=92=2C SoH HoS law=92 H=
och HoS puS =91ej reH bItaHtaH.  =3BjuchenmoH =91ej pIrur.  =3BHoch=
QaQ=2C Hoch teH=2C Hoch =91IH je DInej =91e=92 Dara=92.  =3BSoHvo=92 b=
oghbogh puqloD neH ghaH {yeSu=92 QISto=92=92e=92} =91ej Qun porgh ghaH =91e=
j joH=92a=92ma=92 ghaH.  =3BghaHDaq QaQwI=92=2C teHwI=92=2C =91IHwI=92 =
je DInejnIS je.  =3B{bISop} Qel je {San =91ISIDor} =91ej nuboQ =91e=92 =
wIqoy=92.  =3BweQmoQnaQDaq malengtaHvIS ghopDu=92majvaD mInDu=92majvaD =
je nIbelmoHbogh Dochmey neH yIghoSmoH =91ej Hoch nuv wIghomboghvaD ghobergh=
Ha=92moH =91ej ghotuvmoH.  =3BjoH=92a=92ma=92 ghaHbogh QISto=92vo=92 wI=
tlhob.  =3B{=91amen}.</font></span></p><p style=3D"line-height: 1.15=3B=
margin-top: 0pt=3B margin-bottom: 0pt=3B" dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color=
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vertical-align: baseline=3B background-color: rgb(255=2C 255=2C 255)=3B">A=
prayer before logging onto the internet:</span></p><p id=3D"docs-internal-=
guid-41e59db5-d801-12d3-57d7-d8ec2e02d09c" style=3D"line-height: 1.15=3B ma=
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rmal=3B text-decoration: none=3B vertical-align: baseline=3B background-col=
or: rgb(255=2C 255=2C 255)=3B">Almighty and eternal God=2C who created us i=
n Thine image and bade us to seek after all that is good=2C true and beauti=
ful=2C especially in the divine person of Thine Only-begotten Son=2C our Lo=
rd Jesus Christ=2C grant=2C we beseech Thee=2C that=2C through the interces=
sion of Saint Isidore=2C Bishop and Doctor=2C during our journeys through t=
he internet we will direct our hands and eyes only to that which is pleasin=
g to Thee and treat with charity and patience all those souls whom we encou=
nter. Through Christ our Lord.  =3B =3BAmen.</span></p><p id=3D"doc=
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