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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghIpDIj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Thu Aug 14 20:27:02 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:26:45 -0400
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{lo=92laH} is actually a root verb, not a verb and a suffix. It is =
distinct from {lo=92}. It may LOOK like a verb and a suffix, but it=92s =
not. Though it is indistinguishable from the other root with a suffix, =
except by grammatical context:
{lo=92} means =93use=94 and can have a direct object. It can=92t be used =
as an adjective.
{lo=92laH} means =93be useful=94 and can be used as an adjective. It =
can=92t take a direct object.
This distinction quite likely is the result of a goof on Maltz=92s part, =
but it=92s one of those delightful little exceptions in the language=85 =
unless I=92ve horribly misremembered something.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
On Aug 14, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Brad Wilson <bmacliam@aol.com> wrote:
> TKD has ghIpDIj listed as verb on both sides. These are the only =
other multi-syllable verbs (not including suffixes) I can find:
> He'So' - stink - TKD, verb on both sides
> HoSghaj - be powerful - TKD, verb on both sides
> nughI' - twist knuckle into someone's head - 1996 qep'a', reiterated =
in KGT
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Voragh:
> This is a rare two-syllable verb.
>=20
> gheyIl:
> Do we know for certain that <ghIpDIj> (court-martial) is a verb, and =
this is not=20
> an error in TKD?
> We know there were other errors. Has it ever been used in canon to =
support the=20
> verb definition?
>=20
> Voragh:
> AFAIK it's never appeared in canon. I don't have a paperback TKD with =
me; is=20
> <ghIpDIj> listed as a verb on both sides of the glossary =
(English-Klingon,=20
> Klingon-English)? Has anyone ever asked Okrand about this?
>=20
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after-white-space;"><div>{lo=92laH} is actually a root verb, not a verb =
and a suffix. It is distinct from {lo=92}. It may LOOK like a verb and a =
suffix, but it=92s not. Though it is indistinguishable from the other =
root with a suffix, except by grammatical =
context:</div><div><br></div><div>{lo=92} means =93use=94 and can have a =
direct object. It can=92t be used as an =
adjective.</div><div><br></div><div>{lo=92laH} means =93be useful=94 and =
can be used as an adjective. It can=92t take a direct =
object.</div><div><br></div><div>This distinction quite likely is the =
result of a goof on Maltz=92s part, but it=92s one of those delightful =
little exceptions in the language=85 unless I=92ve horribly =
misremembered something.</div><br><div>
<div><div>lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh</div><div>Door Repair Guy, =
Retired Honorably</div></div><div><br></div><br =
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<br><div><div>On Aug 14, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Brad Wilson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bmacliam@aol.com">bmacliam@aol.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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style=3D"margin: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><pre =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, =
sans-serif">TKD has ghIpDIj listed as verb on both sides. These are the =
only o</font></tt><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">ther multi-syllable verbs (not including =
suffixes) I can find:</span></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: =
9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">He'So' - stink - =
TKD, verb on both sides</font></tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: =
9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">HoSghaj - be =
powerful - TKD, verb on both sides</font></tt></pre><pre><tt =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, =
sans-serif">nughI' - </font></tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, =
sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;">twist knuckle into =
someone's head - </span></font><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">1996 qep'a', reiterated in =
KGT</span></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;"><tt><br>
</tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, =
Arial, sans-serif;"><tt><br>
</tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, =
Arial, sans-serif;"><tt>Voragh:
This is a rare two-syllable verb.
gheyIl:
Do we know for certain that <ghIpDIj> (court-martial) is a verb, =
and this is not=20
an error in TKD?
We know there were other errors. Has it ever been used in canon to =
support the=20
verb definition?
<pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Voragh:
</tt></pre>AFAIK it's never appeared in canon. I don't have a paperback =
TKD with me; is=20
<ghIpDIj> listed as a verb on both sides of the glossary =
(English-Klingon,=20
Klingon-English)? Has anyone ever asked Okrand about this?
</tt></pre>
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