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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Still untitled beginner story: parts 5 & 6 with
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Jul 9 05:51:35 2014
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmP4o=gwys8JB3q6Geq70tTV7-xNp8=xKgK=u4JxQbSERA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 02:51:09 -0700
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I support nitpicks for this story.=20
It's true we don't know whether Sov is more conna=C3=AEtre or savoir, but th=
e absence of a second word after all this time kind of suggests that it cove=
rs both.=20
Sum qagh 'e' Sov. suggests to me that a 'has knowledge of, is aware of' sort=
of meaning works. I think it's weirder that the friend has to point out a r=
estaurant in the person's own neighbourhood than that he Sovs it.
With respect to the alternates you suggest, -lu', and wI- are on not the syl=
labus. If chup is, I'll substitute it and see if I can use Sov somewhere els=
e. Can someone suggest a usage of Sov that would not trigger this uncertaint=
y?
Also missing is He (I.e. He vISov). =20
They are Terrans, so a certain amount of wittering is to be expected.=20
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 22:34, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Qov:
> > jatlh jupwI', Ha'! Qe' vISov.
>=20
> I don't have much to say. This is really a nitpick, but can one {Sov} a {Q=
e'}? Many languages distinguish between different kinds of knowing (kennen v=
s. wissen), although Klingon seems not to. What does it mean to "know" a res=
taurant? Do you mean {Qe' tu'lu' 'e' Sov}, that you know it exists? You "kno=
w of" the restaurant, is that {Sov}?
>=20
> And even if it made sense, would it be something a Klingon would say?
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> - Qe' vISov.
> - wejpuH. Doj SovlIj. jISaHbe'.
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> - Qe' vIchup.
> - Ha'! maghoS.
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> - Qe' wIghoS.
> - lu'.
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> --
> De'vID
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I support nitpicks for this story.&nbs=
p;</div><div><br></div><div>It's true we don't know whether Sov is more conn=
a=C3=AEtre or savoir, but the absence of a second word after all this time k=
ind of suggests that it covers both. </div><div><br></div><div>Sum qagh=
'e' Sov. suggests to me that a 'has knowledge of, is aware of' sort of mean=
ing works. I think it's weirder that the friend has to point out a restauran=
t in the person's own neighbourhood than that he Sovs it.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>With respect to the alternates you suggest, -lu', and wI- are on not t=
he syllabus. If chup is, I'll substitute it and see if I can use Sov somewhe=
re else. Can someone suggest a usage of Sov that would not trigger this unce=
rtainty?</div><div><br></div><div>Also missing is He (I.e. He vISov). =
</div><div><br></div><div>They are Terrans, so a certain amount of wittering=
is to be expected. </div><div><br>On Jul 8, 2014, at 22:34, "De'vID" &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>>=
; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><p dir=3D"ltr">Qov:<br>=
> jatlh jupwI', Ha'! Qe' vISov.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I don't have much to say. This is really a nitpick, but can o=
ne {Sov} a {Qe'}? Many languages distinguish between different kinds of know=
ing (kennen vs. wissen), although Klingon seems not to. What does it mean to=
"know" a restaurant? Do you mean {Qe' tu'lu' 'e' Sov}, that you know it exi=
sts? You "know of" the restaurant, is that {Sov}?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">And even if it made sense, would it be something a Klingon wo=
uld say?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">- Qe' vISov.<br>
- wejpuH. Doj SovlIj. jISaHbe'.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">- Qe' vIchup.<br>
- Ha'! maghoS.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">- Qe' wIghoS.<br>
- lu'.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">--<br>
De'vID</p>
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