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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Wilson)
Tue Jun 17 16:17:16 2014
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From: Brad Wilson <bmacliam@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
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>>>
If I ask, "Which door do you choose?", it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch Da=
wIv?}=20
You answer "I choose the third door." {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}
<<<=20
If {'arDIch} really means "which" in the sense of "one of a choice of optio=
ns", then I could answer with {lojmItvatlh vIwIv} (pointing to my selection=
) or {lojmIt SuD vIwIv} and not use {-DIch} at all.
The question I was asking earlier:
>>>
Is there are requirement that if the question uses {'arDIch} that the answe=
r must use {number-DIch}?
It would seem that {-DIch} is a "sequential" marker that identifies its hea=
dword=20
either by appearance to the speaker, or importance, or by some other criter=
ion.
<<<
All uses of {-DIch} that I'm aware of seem to be that of "ordinalizing" a n=
umber, i.e. ordering either in space or time.
In English, the word "which" can have an ordinal sense to it:
... "the position in a sequence of doors in front of me" or "the appearance=
of doors over time (say, walking down a hall)".
But "which" can also mean "a choice from a selection without regard to orde=
r".
My question is, without further clarification from MO, can we say that {'ar=
DIch} also has this broader meaning of "one of a choice, order notwithstand=
ing"?
gheyIl
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le=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: arial;">>>></span></pre><pre st=
yle=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 9pt;"><span style=3D"font-=
size: 9pt; font-family: arial;">If I ask, "Which door do you choose?", it's=
still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv?} </span></pre><pre style=3D"font-size:=
9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"arial, helvetica">You answer "I choose the third d=
oor." {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}</font></tt></pre>
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55, 255);"><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt><span style=3D"font-family: A=
rial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"><<< </span></tt=
></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, s=
ans-serif">If {'arDIch} really means "which" in the sense of "one of a=
choice of options", then </font></tt><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, He=
lvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">I could answer with {lojmItvatlh vIwI=
v} (pointing to my selection) or {lojmIt SuD vIwIv} and not use {-DIch} at =
all.</span></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">The question I was asking e=
arlier:</span></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">>>></span></pre=
><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family:=
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Is there are requirement that if the questi=
on uses {'arDIch} that the answer </span><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; fon=
t-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">must use {number-DIch}?</span></pr=
e><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt>It would seem that {-DIch} is a "seque=
ntial" marker that identifies its headword=20
either by appearance to the speaker, or importance, or by some other criter=
ion.</tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helv=
etica, sans-serif"><<<</font></tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9=
pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">All uses of {-DIch} th=
at I'm aware of seem to be that of "ordinalizing" a number, i.e. ordering e=
ither in space or time.</font></tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt=
><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">In English, the word "which" c=
an have an ordinal sense to it:</font></tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9=
pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">... </font></tt><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">"the p=
osition in a sequence of doors in front of me" or "the appearance of doors =
over time (say, walking down a hall)".</span></pre><pre style=3D"font-size:=
9pt;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:=
9pt;">But "which" can also mean "a choice from a selection without regard =
to order".</span></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Ari=
al, Helvetica, sans-serif">My question is, without further clarification fr=
om MO, can we say that {'arDIch} also has this broader meaning of "one of a=
choice, order notwithstanding"?</font></tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: =
9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">gheyIl</font></tt></p=
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