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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Proof that Klingon isn't just a few
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fiat Knox)
Mon Jun 2 04:57:52 2014
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 09:57:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Klingon Mailing List <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <591FE5D1-6617-4D63-8793-2D7BF7FFCDED@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
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I never ask why I continue to study Klingon. Whenever anybody asks why, I f=
ind myself thinking ram meqmeyand move on.=0A=0AUltimately, people must lea=
rn to accept that some people have incredibly active brains which require t=
he constant stimulation and challenge of learning languages - and chances a=
re, if you know English and Klingon, you are likely to want to broaden your=
struggle against the Great Enemy, boredom, to include the study of Latin, =
Japanese, Russian or Greek, just because.=0A=0AI have never struggled to ju=
stify my choice to embrace the life of a Klingonist, either. I've always to=
ld people that everybody has at least one thing that they really love. It c=
ould be anything: baking cakes, playing football, poker, hypnotising people=
for fun, singing, playing a musical instrument ... or it could be somethin=
g serious and worthwhile such as learning another language. Any other langu=
age.=0A=0AIt is very difficult for monoglots to understand what would motiv=
ate anyone to learn another language, at all; let alone to want to learn an=
y language for fun. It's like mathophobics wondering why geeks such as I ge=
t excited over the latest news article about prime numbers, or non-science =
geeks pondering why I get excited to learn about a new transuranic element =
which has been added to the Periodic Table.=0A=0AIf I have learned one thin=
g, it is this: you cannot argue against willing ignorance. You can only tra=
nscend the gaps in your own knowledge through continued study, and keep you=
r sharp blades from rusting. What other people do is irrelevant, as long as=
they realise that their judgment of you is also irrelevant. All you can do=
is to say that you will never be such a person yourself, and strive to rem=
ain always better than them.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Monday, 2 June 2014, 4:56, lojmI=
t tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A>=0A>=0A>Are=
you suggesting that I join THEIR geeky list in order to defend MY geeky li=
st?=0A>=0A>=0A>Eeewwww!=0A>=0A>=0A>It is interesting that few are more crit=
ical of unusual hobbies than those who have DIFFERENT unusual hobbies. Thos=
e OTHER people are obviously wasting a lot of time doing something stupid, =
right?=0A>=0A>=0A>Like, why should I learn Klingon when I could be memorizi=
ng football statistics, or collecting postage stamps or butterflies, or jug=
gling, or playing role playing games, or video games, or canasta, or square=
dancing, or karate, or spending quality time in a suntanning salon, or get=
ting tattoos or piercings, or yodeling, or memorizing old Fireside Theater =
albums, or learning pi out to 100 places, or tap dancing, or=E2=80=A6=0A>=
=0A>=0A>Hmm.=C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>I already do about half those things.=0A>=0A>=
=0A>Anyway, we don=E2=80=99t need reasons to do things. If they interest us=
and bring us smiles, that is enough. And it=E2=80=99s okay for people to d=
o those other things, too. There are people enough to do everything, and no=
reason for us all to do the same narrow set of things.=0A>=0A>=0A>Though t=
he world would be cooler if more of us spoke Klingon.=0A>=0A>lojmIt tI=E2=
=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh=0A>Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably=
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jun 1, 2014, at 11:26 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gm=
ail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>This specialized mailing list is not the best place =
to demonstrate the communication capabilities inherent in the Klingon langu=
age. You're preaching to the choir here.=C2=A0=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>lay'tel SIvten=
=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:03 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh=
<lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Hearing that ignorant masses a=
pparently think Klingon isn=E2=80=99t a =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D language and=
that it=E2=80=99s just a geeky thing with a few Star Trek-centric things y=
ou can say with it, I feel like telling you stuff about my non-Star Trek-ce=
ntric life, in the Warrior=E2=80=99s tongue, for no other reason than to pr=
ove the point that the criticism is actually ignorant.=0A>>>=0A>>>No, I won=
=E2=80=99t claim that it=E2=80=99s not geeky. I=E2=80=99m merely arguing wi=
th the assertion that you can=E2=80=99t speak in Klingon on a variety of to=
pics. I also won=E2=80=99t promise that I=E2=80=99ll be universally underst=
ood. Likely, some people here will understand me easily, while some may arg=
ue with my word choices or grammatical constructions. Some of them will lik=
ely be right, but that misses the point.=0A>>>=0A>>>The point is, here=E2=
=80=99s stuff I can say using the language.=0A>>>=0A>>>DaHjaj juHmajvo=E2=
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=80=99 vIghaj, vaj naDev jIratlh.=0A>>>=0A>>>vengwIjDaq bommeH ghom be=E2=
=80=99pu=E2=80=99. Hoch DIS much. DaHjaj qaS DISvam wanI=E2=80=99.=0A>>>=0A=
>>>tamHa=E2=80=99moHmeH luch vIghaj. be=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99vam vItamHa=E2=
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aw=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ej mupwI=E2=80=99Hommey law=E2=80=99 ghaj janvam. bomw=
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. qoghDu=E2=80=99Daq ghopDu=E2=80=99 lan Hoch, =E2=80=98ej berghchoH.=0A>>>=
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=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh=0A>>>Door Repair Guy, Retired Honora=
bly=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>__________________________________________=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Co=
urier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><spa=
n>I never ask why I continue to study Klingon. Whenever anybody asks why, I=
find myself thinking <span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">ram meqmey</span><=
span> and move on.</span></span><br></div><br>Ultimately, people must learn=
to accept that some people have incredibly active brains which require the=
constant stimulation and challenge of learning languages - and chances are=
, if you know English and Klingon, you are likely to want to broaden your s=
truggle against the Great Enemy, boredom, to include the study of Latin, Ja=
panese, Russian or Greek, just because.<br><br>I have never struggled to ju=
stify my choice to embrace the life of a Klingonist, either. I've always to=
ld people that everybody has at least one thing that they really love. It c=
ould be anything: baking cakes, playing football, poker, hypnotising
people for fun, singing, playing a musical instrument ... or it could be s=
omething serious and worthwhile such as learning another language. Any othe=
r language.<br><br>It is very difficult for monoglots to understand what wo=
uld motivate anyone to learn another language, at all; let alone to want to=
learn any language for fun. It's like mathophobics wondering why geeks suc=
h as I get excited over the latest news article about prime numbers, or non=
-science geeks pondering why I get excited to learn about a new transuranic=
element which has been added to the Periodic Table.<br><br>If I have learn=
ed one thing, it is this: you cannot argue against willing ignorance. You c=
an only transcend the gaps in your own knowledge through continued study, a=
nd keep your sharp blades from rusting. What other people do is irrelevant,=
as long as they realise that their judgment of you is also irrelevant. All=
you can do is to say that you will never be such a person yourself,
and strive to remain always better than them.<br><div class=3D"qtdSeparate=
BR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <d=
iv style=3D"font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica N=
eue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div d=
ir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Monday, 2 June 2014, 4:56, =
lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font=
> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); marg=
in-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class=3D=
"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv5976989169"><div><div>Are you suggesting th=
at I join THEIR geeky list in order to defend MY geeky list?</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Eeewwww!</div><div><br></div><div>It is interesting that few are=
more critical of unusual hobbies than those who have DIFFERENT unusual hob=
bies. Those
OTHER people are obviously wasting a lot of time doing something stupid, r=
ight?</div><div><br></div><div>Like, why should I learn Klingon when I coul=
d be memorizing football statistics, or collecting postage stamps or butter=
flies, or juggling, or playing role playing games, or video games, or canas=
ta, or square dancing, or karate, or spending quality time in a suntanning =
salon, or getting tattoos or piercings, or yodeling, or memorizing old Fire=
side Theater albums, or learning pi out to 100 places, or tap dancing, or=
=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>Hmm. </div><div><br></div><div>I al=
ready do about half those things.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, we don=
=E2=80=99t need reasons to do things. If they interest us and bring us smil=
es, that is enough. And it=E2=80=99s okay for people to do those other thin=
gs, too. There are people enough to do everything, and no reason for us all=
to do the same narrow set of things.</div><div><br></div><div>Though the w=
orld would be
cooler if more of us spoke Klingon.</div><br><div>=0A<div><div>lojmIt tI=
=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh</div><div>Door Repair Guy, Retired H=
onorably</div></div><div><br></div><br class=3D"yiv5976989169Apple-intercha=
nge-newline">=0A</div>=0A<br><div><div>On Jun 1, 2014, at 11:26 PM, Morphem=
eAddict <<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>> wro=
te:</div><br class=3D"yiv5976989169Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv5976989169gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:courier new, monospace;">This specialized mailing list is=
not the best place to demonstrate the communication capabilities inherent =
in the Klingon language. You're preaching to the choir here. </div>=0A=
=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv5976989169gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courie=
r new, monospace;"><br></div><div class=3D"yiv5976989169gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:courier new, monospace;">lay'tel SIvten</div><div class=3D=
"yiv5976989169gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"yiv5976989169gmail_quote">=
=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:03 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com">lojmitti7wi7=
nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv5976989169gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex;">=0A=0A=0AHearing that ignorant masses apparently think Klingon isn=
=E2=80=99t a =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D language and that it=E2=80=99s just a g=
eeky thing with a few Star Trek-centric things you can say with it, I feel =
like telling you stuff about my non-Star Trek-centric life, in the Warrior=
=E2=80=99s tongue, for no other reason than to prove the point that the cri=
ticism is actually ignorant.<br>=0A=0A=0A=0A<br>=0ANo, I won=E2=80=99t clai=
m that it=E2=80=99s not geeky. I=E2=80=99m merely arguing with the assertio=
n that you can=E2=80=99t speak in Klingon on a variety of topics. I also wo=
n=E2=80=99t promise that I=E2=80=99ll be universally understood. Likely, so=
me people here will understand me easily, while some may argue with my word=
choices or grammatical constructions. Some of them will likely be right, b=
ut that misses the point.<br>=0A=0A=0A=0A<br>=0AThe point is, here=E2=80=99=
s stuff I can say using the language.<br>=0A<br>=0ADaHjaj juHmajvo=E2=80=99=
tlheD be=E2=80=99nalwI=E2=80=99. =E2=80=98ev-chanDaq Dab qorDu=E2=80=99Daj=
. pa=E2=80=99 pawmeH, qaStaHvIS Soch rep ghoSnIS. DaHjaj latlh Qu=E2=80=99 =
vIghaj, vaj naDev jIratlh.<br>=0A<br>=0AvengwIjDaq bommeH ghom be=E2=80=99p=
u=E2=80=99. Hoch DIS much. DaHjaj qaS DISvam wanI=E2=80=99.<br>=0A<br>=0Ata=
mHa=E2=80=99moHmeH luch vIghaj. be=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99vam vItamHa=E2=80=99m=
oHmeH luchwIj vIlo=E2=80=99.<br>=0A<br>=0Ajan lo=E2=80=99 wa=E2=80=99 be=E2=
=80=99. may=E2=80=99ron rur, =E2=80=98ach tlhuHbe=E2=80=99. Sirghmey law=E2=
=80=99 =E2=80=98ej mupwI=E2=80=99Hommey law=E2=80=99 ghaj janvam. bomwI=E2=
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m vItoghpu=E2=80=99be=E2=80=99. chaq wejmaH. chaq loSmaH. qan HochHom, =E2=
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oH. qoghDu=E2=80=99Daq ghopDu=E2=80=99 lan Hoch, =E2=80=98ej berghchoH.<br>=
=0A<br>=0AtoH luchwIj vIlo=E2=80=99DI=E2=80=99, jIyepchu=E2=80=99.<br>=0A<b=
r>=0ADaHjaj vItamHa=E2=80=99moHmeH, jIQapta=E2=80=99. vIqonmeH, vIQapta'=E2=
=80=99a=E2=80=99? wej jIbej. rInbe=E2=80=99 Qu=E2=80=99vam.<br>=0A<br>=0Alo=
jmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh<br>=0ADoor Repair Guy, Retire=
d Honorably<br>=0A<br>=0A<br>=0A<br>=0A<br>=0A_____________________________=
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