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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Looking and Seeing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Sat Apr 19 10:58:16 2014
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:57:56 -0700
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There's also bej, but yes there are some gaps there for glancing at things.
In nuq bop bom I found myself saying things like:
qaStaHvIS lup tlhaq bej.
mangghom bej ghIq bejbe'choH.
nom nuH legh.
poS mInDu'Daj 'ach leghbe'law'.
- Qov
From: Brad Wilson [mailto:bmacliam@aol.com]
Sent: April 19, 2014 7:51
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] Looking and Seeing
>>>
In English, we sometimes emphasize the perfective aspect of
perception with semantic games: "You're looking at it, but you don't see
it," or, "You saw it, but you didn't look at it."
<<<
To my mind, "see" is viewing with comprehension, while "look" does not imply
any recognition (although it may be present).
As far as I know, we only have {legh} and perhaps {tu'} to work with ...
{nej} and {Sam} have different meanings entirely.
bIlegh 'ach bIyajchu'be'
gheyIl
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leghbe’law’.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brad =
Wilson [mailto:bmacliam@aol.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> April 19, 2014 =
7:51<br><b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Tlhingan-hol] Looking and Seeing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><tt><span =
style=3D'color:black'>In English, we sometimes emphasize the perfective =
aspect of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span =
style=3D'color:black'>perception with semantic games: "You're =
looking at it, but you don't =
see<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span =
style=3D'color:black'>it," or, "You saw it, but you didn't =
look at it."<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre></blockquote></div><div><p =
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lt;<<<o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><tt><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>To my =
mind, "see" is viewing with comprehension, while =
"look" does not imply any recognition (although it may be =
present).</span></tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>As far as I know, we only have =
{legh} and perhaps {tu'} to work with ... {nej} and {Sam} have =
different meanings entirely.</span></tt><span =
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o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>bIlegh 'ach =
bIyajchu'be'</span></tt><span =
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nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><tt><span =
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