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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghay
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Fri Apr 18 11:32:26 2014
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:32:05 -0700
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If I don=E2=80=99t repeat a subject phrase used for two verbs, I much =
prefer Hegh =E2=80=98ej rIQ SuvwI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99 law=E2=80=99. =
Interesting that it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98ej not qoj or pagh there.
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Here there=E2=80=99s another possible subject for Hegh, the =
qarDaSnganpu=E2=80=99, so stating the subject right away is useful.
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Saying Hegh SuvwI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99 law=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ej rIQ gives =
me a moment of rIQ =E2=80=98Iv? so I prefer it repeated there.
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It=E2=80=99s kind of the difference between =E2=80=9CMany people were =
killed and injured=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CMany people were killed and =
they were injured.=E2=80=9D You=E2=80=99re left going =E2=80=9Cokay, I =
guess the antecedent of =E2=80=98they=E2=80=99 is many people, but why =
not put the two verbs together?=E2=80=9D
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- Qov.
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From: Brent Kesler [mailto:brent.of.all.people@gmail.com]=20
Sent: April 18, 2014 8:19
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghay
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> =
wrote:
jorwI'mey ghaymo' qarDaSnganpu', Hegh SuvwI'pu'lI' law'
'ej rIQ SuvwI'pu'lI' law'
Suffer major losses after Cardassian bombing campaign. MKE
BTW notice the repetition of the subject phrase {SuvwI'pu' law'} "many =
warriors" in the main clause(s).
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I've been working on a sort of essay, and I've not been been repeating =
subject phrases like that. So I'm hoping for some discussion. What do =
people think of:
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1. (?) Hegh SuvwI'pu'lI' law' 'ej riQ.
-- vs. --
2. Hegh SuvwI'pu'lI' law' 'ej rIQ SuvwI'pu'lI' law'.
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Is Sentence 1 unclear? Just bad Klingon? Or is Sentence 2 just an extra =
precise version of Sentence 2?
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bI'reng
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D'>If I don=E2=80=99t repeat a subject phrase used for two verbs, I much =
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Interesting that it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98ej not qoj or pagh =
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D'>Here there=E2=80=99s another possible subject for Hegh, the =
qarDaSnganpu=E2=80=99, so stating the subject right away is =
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D'>Saying Hegh SuvwI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99 law=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ej rIQ =
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D'>It=E2=80=99s kind of the difference between =E2=80=9CMany people were =
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=E2=80=9Cokay, I guess the antecedent of =E2=80=98they=E2=80=99 is many =
people, but why not put the two verbs =
together?=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>- Qov.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brent =
Kesler [mailto:brent.of.all.people@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> April 18, =
2014 8:19<br><b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, =
Apr 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Steven Boozer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" =
target=3D"_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br> jorwI'mey =
ghaymo' qarDaSnganpu', Hegh SuvwI'pu'lI' law'<br> 'ej rIQ =
SuvwI'pu'lI' law'<br> Suffer major losses after Cardassian bombing =
campaign. MKE<br><br>BTW notice the repetition of the subject phrase =
{SuvwI'pu' law'} "many warriors" in the main =
clause(s).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I've been working on a sort of essay, and I've not =
been been repeating subject phrases like that. So I'm hoping for some =
discussion. What do people think of:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1. (?) Hegh SuvwI'pu'lI' law' 'ej =
riQ.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- vs. =
--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>2. Hegh SuvwI'pu'lI' =
law' 'ej rIQ SuvwI'pu'lI' law'.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Is Sentence 1 unclear? Just bad Klingon? Or is =
Sentence 2 just an extra precise version of Sentence =
2?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>bI'reng<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></b=
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