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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: SaHHa'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Sat Feb 15 11:54:31 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:54:06 -0500
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
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This is the kind of thing that made me wince back when I maintained the =
New Words List. What are we trying to do here? Are we trying to collect =
a lexicon toward the mission of giving people a useful set of tools to =
express meaning using the language, or are we just trying to collect =
everything Okrand says?
Okrand has conflicting missions. On one hand, he works to create a =
remarkably versatile and functional language. On the other hand, he gets =
paid by people who say, =93Gimme a word for an animal that this guy =
pulls out of his pocket who represents apathy!=94
So, he fulfills what he=92s paid to do and then we are left to decide =
whether this is a throwaway term improvised to handle a unique request, =
or if it is something deserving of a spot in the official lexicon. I=92m =
sure that editors of the OED face the same problem every day.
And, I am delighted to not have to make this decision.
pItlh.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:31 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
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> Am 14.02.2014 16:01, schrieb qurgh lungqIj:
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> Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, February 14, 2014
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> Klingon word: SaHHa'
> ...
> Source: Marc Okrand
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> Really? ...Duh! ;- )
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> That means it came directly from him (via a Facebook mail) and not via =
a published source. Here's what he said:
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> For "apathy" and "corruption," since they're animals pulled out of a =
pocket (if I remember correctly), he went with:
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> "apathy" (or "apathy creature") - {SaHHa'wI'} "one who is not =
concerned" or pIlHa'wI' "unmotivated one" (that doesn't work well in =
this sans serif Facebook typeface!).
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> "corruption" (or "corruption creature") - {quvHa'wI'} "dishonored one"
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> If it works better to to have concepts rather than beings/animals for =
these words, he offered:
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> "apathy" {SeHHa'ghach} ("disinterest")
> "corruption" {quvHa'ghach} ("dishonor")
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> qurgh
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> =20
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after-white-space;"><div>This is the kind of thing that made me wince =
back when I maintained the New Words List. What are we trying to do =
here? Are we trying to collect a lexicon toward the mission of giving =
people a useful set of tools to express meaning using the language, or =
are we just trying to collect everything Okrand =
says?</div><div><br></div><div>Okrand has conflicting missions. On one =
hand, he works to create a remarkably versatile and functional language. =
On the other hand, he gets paid by people who say, =93Gimme a word for =
an animal that this guy pulls out of his pocket who represents =
apathy!=94</div><div><br></div><div>So, he fulfills what he=92s paid to =
do and then we are left to decide whether this is a throwaway term =
improvised to handle a unique request, or if it is something deserving =
of a spot in the official lexicon. I=92m sure that editors of the OED =
face the same problem every day.</div><div><br></div><div>And, I am =
delighted to not have to make this =
decision.</div><div><br></div><div>pItlh.</div><div><br></div><div>lojmIt =
tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh</div><div>Door Repair Guy, Retired =
Honorably</div><br><div><div>On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:31 AM, qurgh lungqIj =
<<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Lieven <span =
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" =
target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
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Am 14.02.2014 16:01, schrieb qurgh lungqIj:<div class=3D""><br>
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Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, February 14, 2014<br>
<br>
Klingon word: SaHHa'<br>
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...<br>
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Source: Marc Okrand<br>
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<br>
Really? ...Duh! ;- )<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>That means it came directly from =
him (via a Facebook mail) and not via a published source. Here's what he =
said:<br><br><div>For "apathy" and "corruption," since they're animals =
pulled out of a pocket (if I remember correctly), he went with:</div>
<div><br></div><div>"apathy" (or "apathy creature") - {SaHHa'wI'} "one =
who is not concerned" or pIlHa'wI' "unmotivated one" (that doesn't work =
well in this sans serif Facebook typeface!).</div>
<div><br></div><div>"corruption" (or "corruption creature") - =
{quvHa'wI'} "dishonored one"</div><div><br></div><div>If it works better =
to to have concepts rather than beings/animals for these words, he =
offered:</div>
<div><br></div><div>"apathy" {SeHHa'ghach} =
("disinterest")</div><div>"corruption" {quvHa'ghach} =
("dishonor")</div><div><br></div><div>qurgh</div><br> </div></d=
iv></div></div>
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