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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: tul
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Fri Feb 7 01:51:21 2014
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:51:03 +1000
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ghItlhpu' 'eD=2C jatlh:
> All examples of {tul} seem to have a sentence-as-object construction with
> {'e'} as in "vIq pISam 'e' vItul" ("I hope we find battle"). An alternati=
ve
> construction might be a clause with {-meH} as in "vIq pISammeH jItul"
> ("I hope for our finding battle").
Sorry to be a pain=2C but {pI-} is for when the object is second person sin=
gular - that is=2C singular "you". {vIq pISam} is "we find you battle". Whe=
n the object is *third* person singular=2C the appropriate prefix is {wI-}:=
{vIq wISam} "we find battle".
Also=2C the version with the {-meH} clause doesn't quite have the same mean=
ing. It implies that the hoping will somehow be the cause of the event=3B t=
hat through hoping=2C we will be able to find battle. That's not really wha=
t you're after here.
QeS
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' 'eD=2C jatlh:<br>>=
=3B All examples of {tul} seem to have a sentence-as-object construction wi=
th<br>>=3B {'e'} as in "vIq pISam 'e' vItul" ("I hope we find battle"). A=
n alternative<br>>=3B construction might be a clause with {-meH} =3Ba=
s in =3B"vIq pISammeH jItul"<br>>=3B ("I hope for our finding battle"=
).<br><br>Sorry to be a pain=2C but {pI-} is for when the object is second =
person singular - that is=2C singular "you". {vIq pISam} is "we find you ba=
ttle". When the object is *third* person singular=2C the appropriate prefix=
is {wI-}: {vIq wISam} "we find battle".<br><br>Also=2C the version with th=
e {-meH} clause doesn't quite have the same meaning. It implies that the ho=
ping will somehow be the cause of the event=3B that through hoping=2C we wi=
ll be able to find battle. That's not really what you're after here.<br><br=
>QeS<br> </div></body>
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