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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: tul
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bellerophon, modeler)
Thu Feb 6 12:31:43 2014
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:31:17 -0500
From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
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De'vID qatlho'. mu'tlheghvetlh vIghiItlhtaHvIS, jIHon.
I left it that way, expecting clarification if needed.
All examples of {tul} seem to have a sentence-as-object construction with
{'e'} as in "vIq pISam 'e' vItul" ("I hope we find battle"). An alternative
construction might be a clause with {-meH} as in "vIq pISammeH jItul" ("I
hope for our finding battle"). The second is as concise but it seems
clunky. Maybe because "Hope isn't a plan."
~'eD
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:15 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Bellerophon, modeler
> <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Any canon use aside from the three sentences in TKW that all end "tul
> Hoch
> > tlhIngan?"
> > nuq tul 'op tlhIngan 'e' vISIv.
>
> I think you were going for "I wonder what some Klingons hope?" But I
> would parse your question as "What do I wonder some Klingons hope?"
> That is, there is some specific thing you're wondering that some
> Klingons hope, and you're asking us what (we think) it is, as if it
> were some kind of guessing game.
>
> {nuq} is a question word that plugs into a sentence where you'd expect
> your answer to be. I doesn't really work for "I wonder what...", since
> that's not really a question. If a Klingon were really wondering what
> some Klingons hope, he'd just ask, {nuq tul 'op tlhIngan?}
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">De'vID qatlho'. mu'tlheghvetlh vIghiItlhtaHvIS=
, jIHon.<div><br></div><div>I left it that way, expecting clarification if =
needed.</div><div><br></div><div>All examples of {tul} seem to have a sente=
nce-as-object construction with {'e'} as in "vIq pISam 'e&=
#39; vItul" ("I hope we find battle"). An alternative constr=
uction might be a clause with {-meH}=C2=A0as in=C2=A0"vIq pISammeH jIt=
ul" ("I hope for our finding battle"). The second is as conc=
ise but it seems clunky. Maybe because "Hope isn't a plan."</=
div>
<div>~'eD</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:15 AM, De'vID <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonp=
in@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Bellerophon,=
modeler<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com">bellerophon.modeler@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Any canon use aside from the three sentences in TKW that all end "=
;tul Hoch<br>
> tlhIngan?"<br>
> nuq tul 'op tlhIngan 'e' vISIv.<br>
<br>
I think you were going for "I wonder what some Klingons hope?" Bu=
t I<br>
would parse your question as "What do I wonder some Klingons hope?&quo=
t;<br>
That is, there is some specific thing you're wondering that some<br>
Klingons hope, and you're asking us what (we think) it is, as if it<br>
were some kind of guessing game.<br>
<br>
{nuq} is a question word that plugs into a sentence where you'd expect<=
br>
your answer to be. I doesn't really work for "I wonder what...&quo=
t;, since<br>
that's not really a question. If a Klingon were really wondering what<b=
r>
some Klingons hope, he'd just ask, {nuq tul 'op tlhIngan?}<br>
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