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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] transcript of Star Trek Into Darkness
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Sun Nov 10 15:16:44 2013
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>,
"tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:15:51 +0000
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> Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to me, or am I totally missi=
ng something?
Well, a lot of this vocabulary is new, but has apparently been revealed at =
the latest qepHom.
However, if I've understood this correctly, Marc Okrand actually had to ret=
con a lot of this dialogue, because in the final cut the scenes ended up in=
the wrong order and with some of them removed altogether.
So, for example, I wouldn't be too surprised if the {Dojmey} were originall=
y {Dochmey} that she claimed to be working to retrieve.
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From: Bellerophon, modeler [bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 21:05
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] transcript of Star Trek Into Darkness
Perhaps it's my ignorance, but most of this is gibberish to me. For instanc=
e, {ghach jIvvo' naH}: /Fruit from is ignorant -ation./
The only complete sentences I can make out are these.
{DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.} /Now he is hiding (himself) in these ruins./
{qatlh DISaH?} /Why do we care about them?/ (or "why should we...")
{potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.} /Because honor is important, obviously we remem=
ber it./ (or him/her/them... the context makes it unclear to me)
There are plenty of words and apparent words I can't find in any reference,=
like jIvuylaH: I can {?vuy}. Also {?ve'} {?yI'} {wID} {peq} {chIw} {?chI} =
{chuD} {lIb} {bam}, and the closest I can come to making sense of {vInDa'ma=
'} is /our cousin-corporal/.
There are also verbs with noun suffixes, {jIvvo'}, {Dojmey} and {vum'e'}, a=
nd suffixes unattached to root words, {ghach} and {Hey}.
Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to me, or am I totally missing=
something?
~'eD
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:59 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com<mailto:de.v=
id.jonpin@gmail.com>> wrote:
jIvuylaH. jIve'.
jIyI'.
ghach jIvvo' naH. DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.
'ej Dojmey wID - vInDa'ma' peq.
toH, Hey Humanpu'. qatlh DISaH?
potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.
'ej chIvo' neH chIw vum'e'.
Qob lIb bam SoH chuDlI' je.
Yes, it's {Hey} not {Hegh}.
There is no {bo-} on {bam}. Possibly MO wrote {lIbam} by mistake and invent=
ed {lIb} to cover it.
I will follow with explanation and definitions when i can.
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10pt;">> Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to me, or am I tot=
ally missing something?<br>
<br>
Well, a lot of this vocabulary is new, but has apparently been revealed at =
the latest qepHom.<br>
<br>
However, if I've understood this correctly, Marc Okrand actually had to ret=
con a lot of this dialogue, because in the final cut the scenes ended up in=
the wrong order and with some of them removed altogether.<br>
So, for example, I wouldn't be too surprised if the {Dojmey} were originall=
y {Dochmey} that she claimed to be working to retrieve.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Perhaps it's my ignorance, but most of this is gibberish t=
o me. For instance, {ghach jIvvo' naH}: /Fruit from is ignorant -ation./
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<div>The only complete sentences I can make out are these.<br>
<div>{DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.} /Now he is hiding (himself) in these ruin=
s./
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">{qatlh DISaH?} /Why do we care about them?/ (or =
"why should we...")<br>
{potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.} /Because honor is important, obviously we remem=
ber it./ (or him/her/them... the context makes it unclear to me)</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra">There are plenty of words and apparent words I c=
an't find in any reference, like jIvuylaH: I can {?vuy}. Also {?ve'} {?yI'}=
{wID} {peq} {chIw} {?chI} {chuD} {lIb} {bam}=
, and the closest I can come to making sense of {vInDa'ma'} is /our
cousin-corporal/.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">There are also verbs with noun suffixes, {jIvvo'=
}, {Dojmey} and {vum'e'}, and suffixes unattached to root words, {ghach} an=
d {Hey}.</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to =
me, or am I totally missing something?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">~'eD</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra">On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:59 AM, De'vID <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">d=
e.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
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jIvuylaH. jIve'.<br>
jIyI'.<br>
ghach jIvvo' naH. DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.<br>
'ej Dojmey wID - vInDa'ma' peq.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">toH, Hey Humanpu'. qatlh DISaH?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.<br>
'ej chIvo' neH chIw vum'e'.<br>
Qob lIb bam SoH chuDlI' je.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it's {Hey} not {Hegh}.<br>
There is no {bo-} on {bam}. Possibly MO wrote {lIbam} by mistake and invent=
ed {lIb} to cover it.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I will follow with explanation and definitions when i can.</=
p>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">-- <br>
De'vID<br>
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