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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Today is a good day to be that guy"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Tue Sep 10 11:02:49 2013
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>,
"tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:01:37 +0000
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"*that* guy" is a difficult concept to pin down; in fact, I don't think I c=
an translate it even into my native tongue.
I believe that "*that* guy" normally refers to "somebody who fits the descr=
iption of a person you will inevitably run into in a certain context, thus =
fulfilling the prophecy that 'there always has to be *that* guy'".
It seems there's usually a negative connotation, sometimes with the implica=
tion that *that* guy is "why we can't have nice things".
Going to a party where wine is served? You just know there's gonna be *that=
* guy who has too much.
Famous actor? You just know there's gonna be *that* guy who calls out to yo=
u across the room by the name of a character you played once.
Want to sleep, but your neighbors are playing loud music? Well, you could g=
o over there and ask them to turn the volume, but ... it would make you *th=
at* guy.
I wonder if the closest equivalent in Klingon may actually be {vIl}: Someth=
ing which is just *there*. Certainly not a perfect translation, though.
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From: Bellerophon, modeler [bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 00:09
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Today is a good day to be that guy"
I get that "that guy' overdoes things to get attention. Like Will Wheaton d=
idn't do when he refrained from saying "Qapla'" to the guy with the tattoo,=
or the guy with the tattoo was admitting to being for having it. When Will=
Wheaton said "Today is a good day to be that guy," he was saying it can be=
cool to be that guy. There are degrees of being that guy, and the tattoo w=
as cool. Lampshade over the head, not cool.
~'eD
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net<mailto:qu=
nchuy@alcaco.net>> wrote:
Is "be that guy" supposed to imply "act like a jerk"? I always thought
it referred to someone doing or saying something that most people
already were thinking.
If "act like a jerk" is the intended idea, don't we have a verb for
it? I'm thinking {nguq} "be arrogant", or {Qaq} "behave in a falsely
honorable fashion". {Qaqlu'meH QaQ jajvam}
-- ghunchu'wI'
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10pt;">"*that* guy" is a difficult concept to pin down; in fact, =
I don't think I can translate it even into my native tongue.<br>
<br>
I believe that "*that* guy" normally refers to "somebody who=
fits the description of a person you will inevitably run into in a certain=
context, thus fulfilling the prophecy that 'there always has to be *that* =
guy'".<br>
<br>
It seems there's usually a negative connotation, sometimes with the implica=
tion that *that* guy is "why we can't have nice things".<br>
<br>
Going to a party where wine is served? You just know there's gonna be *that=
* guy who has too much.<br>
<br>
Famous actor? You just know there's gonna be *that* guy who calls out to yo=
u across the room by the name of a character you played once.<br>
<br>
Want to sleep, but your neighbors are playing loud music? Well, you could g=
o over there and ask them to turn the volume, but ... it would make you *th=
at* guy.<br>
<br>
<br>
I wonder if the closest equivalent in Klingon may actually be {vIl}: Someth=
ing which is just *there*. Certainly not a perfect translation, though.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I get that "that guy' overdoes things to get attentio=
n. Like Will Wheaton didn't do when he refrained from saying "Qapla'&q=
uot; to the guy with the tattoo, or the guy with the tattoo was admitting t=
o being for having it. When Will Wheaton said "Today
is a good day to be that guy," he was saying it can be cool to be tha=
t guy. There are degrees of being that guy, and the tattoo was cool. Lampsh=
ade over the head, not cool.
<div>~'eD</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Alan Anderson <s=
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Is "be that guy" supposed to imply "act like a jerk"? I=
always thought<br>
it referred to someone doing or saying something that most people<br>
already were thinking.<br>
<br>
If "act like a jerk" is the intended idea, don't we have a verb f=
or<br>
it? I'm thinking {nguq} "be arrogant", or {Qaq} "behave in a=
falsely<br>
honorable fashion". {Qaqlu'meH QaQ jajvam}<br>
<br>
-- ghunchu'wI'<br>
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