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[Tlhingan-hol] Story: ghuv - The Recruit - 15
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Mon Sep 2 20:02:42 2013
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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In this continuing story, maQ is making Torg practise a mission procedure
under every imaginable condition, including enduring pain.
ghaHvaD QIghpej lo'DI' maQ, jachqu' torgh. yabDaj Danmo' bep, tlhoS porghDaj
SeHlaHbe' 'ej tlhoS leghlaHbe', 'ach noch ghunqa' jay' 'ej Qaghbe'. rInDI'
Qu' 'em 'ej ravDaq Dej, pe'vIl joqtaHvIS ghIvDu'Daj.
QIghpej 'oy' patlh 'olDI' maQ, loQ DIvchoH qabDaj. Qamqa'laHmeH torgh, ghop
SIch. jatlh, "maj. Qu' Data'laHlaw'."
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ghaHvaD QIghpej lo'DI' maQ, jachqu' torgh.
You know that the N5 -vaD indicates the "beneficiary" of an action, but here
note that a grammatical beneficiary doesn't necessarily benefit from the
action. I don't think ghaHDaq would be incorrect here, because I believe the
agonizer is physically applied on the person, but an action-at-a-distance
device would definitely be used ghaHvaD.
QIghpej = Klingon agonizer - a device used to inflict excruciating pain on
torture subjects without damaging them
jach = cry out - so jachqu' is probably "screams loudly"
"Torg screams loudly when maQ uses an agonizer on him."
yabDaj Danmo' bep, tlhoS porghDaj SeHlaHbe' 'ej tlhoS leghlaHbe', 'ach noch
ghunqa' jay' 'ej Qaghbe'.
Dan = occupy territory - a military term. jISorHa' - I'm speaking
metaphorically, characterizing agony as a military force that comes in and
occupies his mind. I just realized now in translating that we have a similar
metaphor in English, "to be occupied" but for us occupy can be anything in a
place. The Klingon Dan is specifically a military force holding territory.
tlhoS = almost, nearly
jay' = invective - an interesting adverb. It adds invective strength to the
clause that it follows. <noch ghunqa' jay'> = "he reprograms the fucking
sensors" or "he programs the hell out of the sensors."
"Because agony holds his mind like an occupying army, he almost cannot
control his body, and almost can't see, but he programs the fucking sensors
and doesn't make a mistake."
Torg may not be smart, but he's tough. I think maQ turned the power up until
Torg screamed, and then held it on him, without checking to see how high he
had set it.
rInDI' Qu' 'em 'ej ravDaq Dej, pe'vIl joqtaHvIS ghIvDu'Daj.
rIn = be complete, be finished
'em = vomits
pe'vIl = forcefully, by force
ghIv = a (person's) limb
-Du' = plural marker for body parts only
"As soon as the task is completed he vomits and he collapses on the floor,
his limbs forcefully waving."
You'd think the Klingon would have a word for "spasmodically twitching," but
I make do. At least I hope you can see the poor guy on the edge of seizure
from the pain.
QIghpej 'oy' patlh 'olDI' maQ, loQ DIvchoH qabDaj.
QIghpej 'oy' patlh - a three noun pile-up. "agonizer's pain rank" - I think
that should be pretty clearly something like "pain setting" or "level of
pain of the agonizer"
'ol = verify
"When maQ checked the agonizer pain setting, his face became a little
guilty."
Qamqa'laHmeH torgh, ghop SIch.
"In order that Torg can stand up again, he reaches a hand."
I had some trouble with this, not linguistically but culturally. Needing
help would be shameful to a Klingon, so I didn't want to say <Qamqa'meH
torgh QaH maQ>. Instead I leave it vague whether Torg uses the offered hand,
and try to picture it as being as much congratulatory as assisting. Do you
think it works?
jatlh, "maj. Qu' Data'laHlaw'."
"Good. I think you will be able to do the mission."
After all that, maQ qualifies his statement with -law'. It *appears* that
torgh can do it. We shall see. And of course that could be translated as "I
think you can do the mission." I chose the future because it sounds like
he's giving him permission, because English is wishy-washy in its can/may
distinction. "It seems you are able to do the mission." is another
candidate.
Holodecks, conveniently, are self-cleaning, so the vomit will get recycled
with the other objects in the holodeck.
-Qov
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<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">In this =
continuing story, maQ is making Torg practise a mission procedure under =
every imaginable condition, including enduring pain.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">ghaHvaD QIghpej =
lo'DI' maQ, jachqu' torgh. yabDaj Danmo' bep, tlhoS porghDaj SeHlaHbe' =
'ej tlhoS leghlaHbe', 'ach noch ghunqa' jay' 'ej Qaghbe'. rInDI' Qu' 'em =
'ej ravDaq Dej, pe'vIl joqtaHvIS ghIvDu'Daj. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">QIghpej 'oy' =
patlh 'olDI' maQ, loQ DIvchoH qabDaj. Qamqa'laHmeH torgh, ghop =
SIch. jatlh, "maj. Qu' Data'laHlaw'."</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-ca"> </SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT =
FACE=3D"Calibri">--</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">ghaHvaD QIghpej =
lo'DI' maQ, jachqu' torgh.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">You know that =
the N5 –vaD indicates the “beneficiary” of an action, =
but here note that a grammatical beneficiary doesn’t necessarily =
benefit from the action. I don’t think ghaHDaq would be incorrect =
here, because I believe the agonizer is physically applied on the =
person, but an action-at-a-distance device would definitely be used =
ghaHvaD.<BR>
QIghpej =3D Klingon agonizer – a device used to inflict =
excruciating pain on torture subjects without damaging them<BR>
jach =3D cry out – so jachqu’ is probably “screams =
loudly”</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">“Torg =
screams loudly when maQ uses an agonizer on =
him.”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">yabDaj Danmo' =
bep, tlhoS porghDaj SeHlaHbe' 'ej tlhoS leghlaHbe', 'ach noch ghunqa' =
jay' 'ej Qaghbe'.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">Dan =3D occupy =
territory - a military term. jISorHa’ – I’m speaking =
metaphorically, characterizing agony as a military force that comes in =
and occupies his mind. I just realized now in translating that we have a =
similar metaphor in English, “to be occupied” but for us =
occupy can be anything in a place. The Klingon Dan is specifically a =
military force holding territory.<BR>
tlhoS =3D almost, nearly<BR>
jay’ =3D invective - an interesting adverb. It adds invective =
strength to the clause that it follows. <noch ghunqa’ =
jay’> =3D “he reprograms the fucking sensors” or =
“he programs the hell out of the sensors.”</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">“Because =
agony holds his mind like an occupying army, he almost cannot control =
his body, and almost can’t see, but he programs the fucking =
sensors and doesn’t make a mistake.”</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">Torg may not be =
smart, but he’s tough. I think maQ turned the power up until Torg =
screamed, and then held it on him, without checking to see how high he =
had set it.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">rInDI' Qu' 'em =
'ej ravDaq Dej, pe'vIl joqtaHvIS ghIvDu'Daj.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-ca"> </SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">rIn =3D be =
complete, be finished<BR>
‘em =3D vomits<BR>
pe’vIl =3D forcefully, by force<BR>
ghIv =3D a (person’s) limb<BR>
-Du’ =3D plural marker for body parts only</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">“As soon =
as the task is completed he vomits and he collapses on the floor, his =
limbs forcefully waving.”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-ca"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">You’d =
think the Klingon would have a word for “spasmodically =
twitching,” but I make do. At least I hope you can see the poor =
guy on the edge of seizure from the pain.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">QIghpej 'oy' =
patlh 'olDI' maQ, loQ DIvchoH qabDaj.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-ca"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">QIghpej =
‘oy’ patlh – a three noun pile-up. =
“agonizer’s pain rank” – I think that should be =
pretty clearly something like “pain setting” or “level =
of pain of the agonizer”<BR>
‘ol =3D verify</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">“When maQ =
checked the agonizer pain setting, his face became a little =
guilty.”</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">Qamqa'laHmeH =
torgh, ghop SIch. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"> </SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">“In order =
that Torg can stand up again, he reaches a =
hand.”</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">I had some =
trouble with this, not linguistically but culturally. Needing help would =
be shameful to a Klingon, so I didn’t want to say =
<Qamqa’meH torgh QaH maQ>. Instead I leave it vague whether =
Torg uses the offered hand, and try to picture it as being as much =
congratulatory as assisting. Do you think it works?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> jatlh, =
"maj. Qu' Data'laHlaw'."</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-ca"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">“Good. I =
think you will be able to do the mission.”</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">After all that, =
maQ qualifies his statement with –law’. It =
*</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><B><FONT =
FACE=3D"Calibri">appears</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT =
FACE=3D"Calibri">* that torgh can do it. We shall see. And of course =
that could be translated as “I think you can do the =
mission.” I chose the future because it sounds like =
he’s giving him permission, because English is wishy-washy in its =
can/may distinction. “It seems you are able to do the =
mission.” is another candidate.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">Holodecks, =
conveniently, are self-cleaning, so the vomit will get recycled with the =
other objects in the holodeck.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-ca"><FONT =
FACE=3D"Calibri">-Qov</FONT></SPAN></P>
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