[96605] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Hu vISuch
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Jul 1 12:20:19 2013
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 16:20:09 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmNtyRVicv0PvLVTCgWwSJWU1JCkP_bnhGmgLn6Yxs=qoA@mail.gmail.com>
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naHQun:
>> Hu maSuch qorDu'wI'.
De'vID:
> Aside from the fact that {wI-} should be used instead of {ma-} when the
> verb has an object, is the subject of this sentence actually "we", or is
> "my family" really an "it"?
>
> I think it needs to be one of the following:
> Hu Such qorDu'wI'. (It may be ambiguous with this sentence whether the
> speaker is included.) Hu wISuch jIH qorDu'wI' je.
Correct. Collective nouns referring to groups of people are grammatically singular:
vangDI' tlhIngan SuvwI' ngoy' qorDu'Daj; vangDI' qorDu'Daj
ngoy' tlhIngan SuvwI'
The family of a Klingon warrior is responsible for his
actions, and he is responsible for theirs. TKW
If {qorDu'} were plural, the first verb would be *{lungoy'} "they are responsible for him".
DurIt tlhIngan yejquv
Summoned to the Klingon High Council. MKE
Note the verb preface {Du-} "he/she/it [does something to] you" not {nI-} "they [do something to] you".
But note the following example:
juHqo'Daq vaS'a' tu'lu'. ngoch luchermeH 'ej wo' San luwuqmeH pa'
ghom tlhIngan yejquv DevwI'pu'.
On the Homeworld, there is a great hall where the leaders of the
Klingon High Council meet to determine policy and decide upon
the fate of the Empire. S25
The subject of the 2nd Klingon sentence is the explicitly plural {DevwI'pu'} "leaders", which requires the prefix {lu-}.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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