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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] -vo' question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fiat Knox)
Sun Jun 16 18:49:54 2013
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 23:49:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Alex Greene <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>,
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IIRC, it's been established that -Daq and -vo' apply only to physical movem=
ent to or from a given location.=0A=0A3.3.5 Syntactic markers=0A-Daq and -v=
o' are =0Astrictly locative; they refer only to motion, or location. They c=
an't be used in other situations in which English uses "to", "in" or "from"=
in a metaphorical sense (eg. "I translate from English to Klingon"; you ca=
n't use -Daq for "to" or -vo' for "from"). [HQ v8n1p7], quoted here from ht=
tp://teresh.tdonnelly.org/kliadd3.html=0A=0A=0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
+++++++++++++++++++=0AFreelance Author=0A=0A=0AThe Plainclothes Clown: http=
://fiat-knox.livejournal.com=0AThe Serpent's Tongue: http://toscapetheserpe=
ntstongue.blogspot.com/=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From:=
nIqolay q <niqolay0@gmail.com>=0A>To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.o=
rg" <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> =0A>Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013,=
23:17=0A>Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] -vo' question=0A> =0A>=0A>Is it acceptabl=
e to use -vo' in the sense of a thing being given/taken=0A>from someone, su=
ch as:=0A>=0A>rewbe'pu'vo' rupmey 'Iq boS qum (The government collects too =
many=0A>taxes from the citizens.)=0A>DIvI' Duyvo' betleH pov Hevpu' ta' (Th=
e emperor received an excellent=0A>bat'leth from the Federation emissary.)=
=0A>=0A>Or is its meaning purely spatial, such that those example sentences=
=0A>would have to be rephrased?=0A>=0A>____________________________________=
___________=0A>Tlhingan-hol mailing list=0A>Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingd=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ga=
ramond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">IIRC, it's been established =
that -Daq and -vo' apply only to physical movement to or from a given locat=
ion.<br><br>3.3.5 Syntactic markers<br><strong><strong><font color=3D"#DD36=
15">-Daq</font></strong>=0Aand <strong><font color=3D"#DD3615">-vo'</font><=
/strong> are =0Astrictly locative; they refer only to=0A <u>motion</u>,=
or <u>location</u>.=0A They can't be used in other situations in which=
English uses=0A "to", "in" or "from" in a metaphorical sense (eg. "I t=
ranslate from English to Klingon";=0A you can't use <strong><font color=
=3D"#DD3615">-Daq</font></strong>=0A for "to" or <strong><font color=3D=
"#DD3615">-vo'</font></strong>=0A for "from").</strong> [HQ v8n1p7], qu=
oted here from http://teresh.tdonnelly.org/kliadd3.html<br><br><div>+++++++=
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>Freelance Author</div><br><div>=
<br></div><div>The Plainclothes Clown: http://fiat-knox.livejournal.com<br>=
The Serpent's Tongue: http://toscapetheserpentstongue.blogspot.com/<br> <bl=
ockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px=
; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: garamon=
d, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr">=
<hr size=3D"1"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-w=
eight:bold;">From:</span></b> nIqolay q <niqolay0@gmail.com><br> <b><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digita=
lkingdom.org" <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <br> <b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Sunday, 16 June 2013, 23:17<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subj=
ect:</span></b> [Tlhingan-hol] -vo' question<br> </font> </div> <div class=
=3D"y_msg_container"><br>Is it acceptable to use -vo' in the sense of a thi=
ng being given/taken<br>from someone, such as:<br><br>rewbe'pu'vo' rupmey '=
Iq boS qum (The government collects too many<br>taxes from the citizens.)<b=
r>DIvI' Duyvo' betleH pov Hevpu' ta' (The emperor received an excellent<br>=
bat'leth from the Federation emissary.)<br><br>Or is its meaning purely spa=
tial, such that those example sentences<br>would have to be rephrased?<br><=
br>_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing =
list<br><a ymailto=3D"mailto:Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org" href=3D=
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