[96420] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] sentence with multiple beneficiaries
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Fri Jun 7 06:43:37 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:05:59 +1000
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tlhob De'vID=2C jatlh:
> How would you render "say 'something' to him for me"?
This particular instance I would render as:
jIHvo' ghaHvaD yIjatlh <wab>.
Say "blah" to him from me.
> I suppose where 'something' =3D 'hi'=2C I can get away with {jIHvaD ghaH
> yIvan}=2C but more generally? Does {-mo'} feel right for this usage=2C
> e.g.=2C {jIHmo' ghaHvaD vay' yIjatlh}?
It feels weird to me=3B not ungrammatical=2C and it does communicate the me=
aning more generally=2C but it's still a little odd. Because of the vagarie=
s of English (!) I can't satisfactorily explain why for the positive versio=
n=2C but to take the negative version of your sentence=2C I would translate=
{jIHmo' ghaHvaD vay' yIjatlhQo'} as English "don't say anything to him on =
my account": in other words=2C the implication that the saying something to=
him is specifically "for me" or "for my benefit" is absent.
QeS
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>tlhob De'vID=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B=
How would you render "say 'something' to him for me"?<br><div><br>This par=
ticular instance I would render as:<br><br>jIHvo' ghaHvaD yIjatlh <=3Bwab=
>=3B.<br>Say "blah" to him from me.<br><br>>=3B I suppose where 'someth=
ing' =3D 'hi'=2C I can get away with {jIHvaD ghaH<br>>=3B yIvan}=2C but m=
ore generally? Does {-mo'} feel right for this usage=2C<br>>=3B e.g.=2C {=
jIHmo' ghaHvaD vay' yIjatlh}?<br><br>It feels weird to me=3B not ungrammati=
cal=2C and it does communicate the meaning more generally=2C but it's still=
a little odd. Because of the vagaries of English (!) I can't satisfactoril=
y explain why for the positive version=2C but to take the negative version =
of your sentence=2C I would translate {jIHmo' ghaHvaD vay' yIjatlhQo'} as E=
nglish "don't say anything to him on my account": in other words=2C the imp=
lication that the saying something to him is specifically "for me" or "for =
my benefit" is absent.<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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