[96395] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] New word part 2
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gaerfindel)
Thu Jun 6 12:47:34 2013
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:46:50 -0400
From: Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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tlhobpu' vay', jatlh:
> How is {Qumran} different from {tetlh} "roll, scroll, list"?
> Does {Qumran} refer to the physical aspects of a scroll, while
{tetlh} is more of a (longish) list (i.e. material vs. content)?
jang Quvar, jatlh:
> We did not talk about that, and it is even possible that he even might
> have forgotten about {tetlh} - we won't know. :-/
> But when I think about it and compare it to your examples, I guess that
> it is exactly like you said:
> {tetlh} might be a list of names for instance, and the {Qumran} is a
> longish scrolled piece of paper.
jang QeS, jatlh:
>The problem is that the explicit gloss of "scroll" for {tetlh} in KGT
says that it is quite capable of referring to the physical entity of the
scrolled >piece of writing material, not just the information contained
upon it. "Roll" has a more abstract use - honour roll, roll call, etc. -
but "scroll" >really can't be used so abstractly.
>However, you hit on an interesting point with your mention of paper -
I wonder if one of the two terms could be more specific as to the
>material it's made of. What makes me think of it is the Dead Sea
Scrolls (to which {Qumran} is a transparent reference, of course);
although a >few of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written on papyrus, mostly
they were on parchment (hide) or vellum, and I've seen one in the Jordan
>Archaeological Museum in Amman that was engraved on copper sheeting.
No way to know, of course, but if there are two words perhaps >there's
some subtle distinction like this involved (as with pairs like {yab} and
{QoghIj}).
As Quvar and Qes point out, there's now real way to know, right now,
although their ideas somehow "feel" right to me, i.e. {QumranDaj jatlh
tetlh 'ach tetlhDaj jatlhbe' Qumran}. Also, given Klingon culture,
while some modern {Qumranmey} may be made from paper, I imagine most to
be made from animal hide--probably targ. Again, no way to know without
asking MO.
~quljIb
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