[96394] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] New word part 2
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Thu Jun 6 10:53:00 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 00:52:29 +1000
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tlhobpu' vay'=2C jatlh:
> How is {Qumran} different from {tetlh} "roll=2C scroll=2C list"?
> Does {Qumran} refer to the physical aspects of a scroll=2C while {tetlh} =
is more of a (longish) list (i.e. material vs. content)?
jang Quvar=2C jatlh:
> We did not talk about that=2C and it is even possible that he even might=
=20
> have forgotten about {tetlh} - we won't know. :-/
> But when I think about it and compare it to your examples=2C I guess that=
=20
> it is exactly like you said:
> {tetlh} might be a list of names for instance=2C and the {Qumran} is a=20
> longish scrolled piece of paper.
The problem is that the explicit gloss of "scroll" for {tetlh} in KGT says =
that it is quite capable of referring to the physical entity of the scrolle=
d piece of writing material=2C not just the information contained upon it. =
"Roll" has a more abstract use - honour roll=2C roll call=2C etc. - but "sc=
roll" really can't be used so abstractly.
However=2C you hit on an interesting point with your mention of paper - I w=
onder if one of the two terms could be more specific as to the material it'=
s made of. What makes me think of it is the Dead Sea Scrolls (to which {Qum=
ran} is a transparent reference=2C of course)=3B although a few of the Dea=
d Sea Scrolls were written on papyrus=2C mostly they were on parchment (hid=
e) or vellum=2C and I've seen one in the Jordan Archaeological Museum in Am=
man that was engraved on copper sheeting. No way to know=2C of course=2C bu=
t if there are two words perhaps there's some subtle distinction like this =
involved (as with pairs like {yab} and {QoghIj}).
QeS
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>tlhobpu' vay'=2C jatlh:<br>>=
=3B How is {Qumran} different from {tetlh} "roll=2C scroll=2C list"?<br><di=
v>>=3B Does {Qumran} refer to the physical aspects of a scroll=2C while {=
tetlh} is more of a (longish) list (i.e. material vs. content)?<br><br>jang=
Quvar=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B We did not talk about that=2C and it is even pos=
sible that he even might <br>>=3B have forgotten about {tetlh} - we won't=
know. :-/<br>>=3B But when I think about it and compare it to your exam=
ples=2C I guess that <br>>=3B it is exactly like you said:<br>>=3B {tet=
lh} might be a list of names for instance=2C and the {Qumran} is a <br>>=
=3B longish scrolled piece of paper.<br><br>The problem is that the explici=
t gloss of "scroll" for {tetlh} in KGT says that it is quite capable of ref=
erring to the physical entity of the scrolled piece of writing material=2C =
not just the information contained upon it. "Roll" has a more abstract use =
- honour roll=2C roll call=2C etc. - but "scroll" really can't be used so a=
bstractly.<br><br>However=2C you hit on an interesting point with your ment=
ion of paper - I wonder if one of the two terms could be more specific as t=
o the material it's made of. What makes me think of it is the Dead Sea Scro=
lls (to which {Qumran} is a transparent reference=2C of course)=3B =3B =
although a few of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written on papyrus=2C mostly th=
ey were on parchment (hide) or vellum=2C and I've seen one in the Jordan Ar=
chaeological Museum in Amman that was engraved on copper sheeting. No way t=
o know=2C of course=2C but if there are two words perhaps there's some subt=
le distinction like this involved (as with pairs like {yab} and {QoghIj}).<=
br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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