[96221] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] pride and values
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon May 13 10:30:19 2013
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:30:08 +0000
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W44A7E3BBC0EFDC421F0E99AAA60@phx.gbl>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
ghItlhpu' Andr=E9, jatlh:
> I found a sentence in the paq'batlh that I think might either contain a s=
yntactical error, a new usage of a verb or simply a
> structure that I cannot parse. It's on page 144-5, Canto 16, 2nd verse:
>
> tlhIngan wo' nur ghob je
> HoSmoH quvvam
> che'DI' molor nur ghob je pujchoHpu'
>
> With it, I restore pride and values
> Of the Klingon Empire, for under Molor,
> They have grown weak and faint.
QeS:
>> I'm with janSIy. Though in origin this may well be an error of
>> word order, it still reads well if you treat the third line of
>> the stanza as meaning "when Molor's dignity and ethics ruled,
>> they [molor nur ghob je, tlhIngan wo' nur ghob je joq] became weak".
FYI: {nur} "dignity" was used elsewhere in the opera/PB for "pride":
"In the draft for the opera ['u'], it was used to translate "pride" like th=
is: "We will avenge your stolen pride" {nurraj nIHlu'ta'mo' manoD} [and] "=
with it I restore pride and values of the Klingon empire" {tlhIngan wo' nur=
ghob je HoSmoH quvvam}" [Quvar, 8/22/2011]
How {nur} differs from {le'yo'} (which is used in a similar sense elsewhere=
in the opera/PB) is unclear. I don't have the relevant verse in my notes.=
QeS reported that:
HemtaHvIS vay', ghaH DuQchu' le'yo'. HemtaHghach 'oS 'oH.
[QeS, 8/18/2011]
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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