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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] {rap} in "Frasier's Klingon"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alan Anderson)
Sun May 5 18:04:53 2013
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From: Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 18:04:14 -0400
To: Ruben Molina <rmolina@gmail.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ruben Molina <rmolina@gmail.com> wrote:
> In "Interview with Marc Okrand" (HolQeD 7:4) [1] it says "both things
> have to be subject" when using {rap} ("be the same"). So, I should
> say {rap A B je}
> for "A and B are the same".
>
> But in "Frasier's Klingon" (HolQeD 11:4) [2] it seems to be working in a
> different way.
The word {rap} as used in the _Star Mitzvah_ speech isn't actually the verb
in the sentence. It follows a noun and acts in an adjectival sense: {bel
rap} "same pleasure".
> The speech ends like this {=85 rap Sov Danobpu'bogh.} and I have been
> unable to parse it correctly. It looks to me like "the knowledge
> which you gave be the same =85", but, the same with what?.
>
> I fact, I can't translate {lenglIj lutebjaj lengwIjvaD bel rap Sov
> Danobpu'bogh}
>
> The article says some words are missing.
The full phrase is {...bel rap, Sov *rap, ngoQ rap je* Danobpu'bogh} "[may
the] same pleasure, wisdom, and purpose you have given [to my journey fill
your journey]."
I can also translate {lenglIj lutebjaj} as "May your travel be fill".
>
That's close, though the {lu-} prefix would make it "may your travel be
filled *by them*." More succinctly, "may they fill your travel."
-- ghunchu'wI'
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ruben Molina <span dir=3D"=
ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rmolina@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rmolina@gma=
il.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In "Interview with Marc Okrand" (H=
olQeD 7:4) [1] it says "both things<br>
have to be subject" when using {rap} ("be the same"). =A0So,=
I should<br>
say {rap A B je}<br>
for "A and B are the same".<br>
<br>
But in "Frasier's Klingon" (HolQeD 11:4) [2] it seems to be w=
orking in a<br>
different way.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>The word {rap} as used=
in the _Star Mitzvah_ speech isn't actually the verb in the sentence. =
It follows a noun and acts in an adjectival sense: {bel rap} "same ple=
asure".</div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The speech ends like this {=85=
rap Sov Danobpu'bogh.}=A0and I have been<br>
unable to parse it correctly. =A0It looks to me like "the knowledge<br=
>
which you gave be the same =85", but, the same with what?.<br>
<br>
I fact, I can't translate {lenglIj lutebjaj lengwIjvaD bel rap Sov Dano=
bpu'bogh}<br>
<br>
The article says some words are missing. </blockquote><div><br></div><div s=
tyle>The full phrase is {...bel rap, Sov *rap, ngoQ rap je* Danobpu'bog=
h} "[may the] same pleasure, wisdom, and purpose you have given [to my=
journey fill your journey]."</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I can also translate {lenglIj=
lutebjaj} as "May your travel be fill".<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>That's close, though the {lu-} p=
refix would make it "may your travel be filled *by them*." More s=
uccinctly, "may they fill your travel."</div><div>=A0</div><div s=
tyle>
-- ghunchu'wI'</div></div></div></div>
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