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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Thu Apr 11 23:51:18 2013
From: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:50:49 -0500
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Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 17:32:42 -0400
From: nbtheduke@gmail.com
> So the constructed language we're studying isn't a living language=2C but=
in fact a dead language that we're learning about> piecemeal from a third-=
party. A lot of your arguments make more sense now. I disagree with that be=
ing desirable in the> least=2C but I'm glad I know where you're coming from=
.
=0A=
I feel like you and Sustel are arguing extremes and the truth lies somewher=
e in the middle. In actual fact=2C the language community has invented nov=
el uses for existing words and even a few actual new words. The community =
of fluent speakers is very small and so growth and progress are equally sma=
ll=2C thus we rely on infusions from Okrand for growth. It is not a dead =
or a stagnant language. However it is also clear to me that the language i=
s already useful even without further growth and that people should not eve=
n think of helping the language grow (in the way you're arguing about) unti=
l they are capable of spending the whole day speaking in Klingon. Also=2C =
if we are imitating the evolution of natural languages=2C such growth shoul=
d never be planned or forced=2C but happen naturally and unintentionally wi=
thin the community of fluent speakers. All this adds up to=2C Okrand being=
the only one allowed to intentionally and artificially expand the language=
(though I would accept the KLI notifying it's members that it has noticed =
a particular trend within the community).
Jeremy =
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 17:32:4=
2 -0400<br>From: nbtheduke@gmail.com<br><div dir=3D"ltr">>=3B So the cons=
tructed language we're studying isn't a living language=2C but in fact a de=
ad language that we're learning about</div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=3B piecemea=
l from a third-party. A lot of your arguments make more sense now. I disagr=
ee with that being desirable in the</div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=3B least=2C b=
ut I'm glad I know where you're coming from.<br>=0A=
<div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">I feel=
like you and Sustel are arguing extremes and the truth lies somewhere in t=
he middle.  =3BIn actual fact=2C the language community has invented no=
vel uses for existing words and even a few actual new words.  =3BThe co=
mmunity of fluent speakers is very small and so growth and progress are equ=
ally small=2C thus we rely on infusions from Okrand for growth.  =3BIt =
is not a dead  =3Bor a stagnant language.  =3BHowever it is also cl=
ear to me that the language is already useful even without further growth a=
nd that people should not even think of helping the language grow (in the w=
ay you're arguing about) until they are capable of spending the whole day s=
peaking in Klingon.  =3BAlso=2C if we are imitating the evolution of na=
tural languages=2C such growth should never be planned or forced=2C but hap=
pen naturally and unintentionally within the community of fluent speakers. =
 =3BAll this adds up to=2C Okrand being the only one allowed to intenti=
onally and artificially expand the language (though I would accept the KLI =
notifying it's members that it has noticed a particular trend within the co=
mmunity).</div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"ecxgma=
il_quote">Jeremy</div></div></div></div> </div></body>
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