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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] jolly?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Tue Jan 8 15:29:40 2013
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:28:36 +0000
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Does the "jolly" in "jolly good fellow" actually mean "happy"? I've always =
interpreted it as a jovial intensifier, and looking at some translations in=
to Earth languages, it seems others have simply interpreted "jolly good fel=
low" as "a really good guy" or "a true friend" ("bravo ragazzo", "muchacho =
excelente", "buen compa=F1ero", etc.).
So, I might recommend something like {jupna' ghaH[bej]mo' <name>'e'}. Maybe=
turn "And so say all of us" into {DaHjaj wIquvqu'moH} or something.
Anyhow, it appears Troi and company actually translated that song into some=
other dialect than the tlhIngan ta' Hol.
Interestingly enough, the "Klingon" lyrics to this song can be found on Wik=
ipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_He%27s_a_Jolly_Good_Fellow#Klingon=
_version
> I don't have any record of Okrand opining on the question, nor of the form
> *{Quchqu'} in my notes, though it would seem to fit.
I suspect that while the literal meaning of "jolly" carries over quite well=
, there might not be a term which simultaneously has similarly jovial conno=
tations. The words {maqoch} and {chaj}, and the expression {wIj jup}, may h=
ave similar connotations, but have a different literal meaning.
> Anything in the paq'batlh, guys?
Nope; no uses of the words "happy" or "jolly", and the only uses of {Quch} =
refer to foreheads.
________________________________________
From: Steven Boozer [sboozer@uchicago.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 21:04
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] jolly?
De'vID:
> I have a recollection of reading somewhere that MO was asked how to
> translate "jolly good [fellow]", and his replied contained {Quchqu'}
> and a remark that Troi (in the STTNG episode "Parallels") was wrong to
> say that Klingon doesn't have a word for "jolly". Was it in an issue
> of HolQeD? On a mailing list? Or am I imaging things?
In TNG "Parallels" Troi commented on the difficulties of translating the so=
ng "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" into Klingon that, "There doesn't seem to=
be a Klingon word for 'jolly'."
I don't have any record of Okrand opining on the question, nor of the form =
*{Quchqu'} in my notes, though it would seem to fit.
FYI {Quch} "be happy" in canon:
jIQuch
I am happy. KLS
loD Quch jIHbe'
I am not a merry man. TKW
De'vetlh vIQoy, vaj jIQuch
I am happy to hear that information. KGT
AFAIK there are no examples of {QuchHa'} "be unhappy" in canon.
Anything in the paq'batlh, guys?
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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