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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Sun Jan 6 07:49:57 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:49:39 +1000
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130105203737.0577da00@flyingstart.ca>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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I've been out of the loop for a while so haven't been able to say anything =
much in the thread=2C but:
jatlh Qov:
>=20
It's not very many words you have there=2C so probably only 'ay''a' wa'. It
would be interesting to compare to Hamlet or any other
manuscript.
luq=2C qaH. :) For Qov's (and others') interest=2C I've just done a letter-=
frequency using maHvatlh's tool on what I've done so far for mIl'oD veDDIr =
SuvwI'. This comprises 80 'ay'mey=2C and around 20=2C700 words up to the mo=
ment. Since I've rendered all names into Klingon phonotactics=2C some of th=
e frequencies will be skewed slightly by names=2C but here are the results=
=2C in decreasing order of frequency:
Total phonemes surveyed: 122=2C250
' 13473
a 13059
I 7731
e 7704
H 7182
o 7097
u 6421
j 6216
v 4958
m 4363
D 3949
l 3759
gh 3702
t 3528
q 3481
ch 3342
b 3199
S 3014
p 2820
n 2656
w 2411
y 2021
tlh 1807
r 1791
Q 1677
ng 889
/m/ is slightly overrepresented and /b/ and /D/ slightly underrepresented=20
because of a couple of short exchanges in Krotmag dialect=2C but there are
large enough gaps between /m/=2C /b/ and /D/ and their neighbours that sta=
ndardising the Krotmag exchanges won't alter the relative distributions. I =
haven't included /N/-counts for this reason.
The comparison to the list from nuq bop bom is intriguing. For starters=2C =
in my text qaghwI' is the most frequent of ALL letters! This agrees well wi=
th Qov's assertion that the Scrabble distribution needs more qaghwI'mey. Th=
e letter with the biggest discrepancy between our lists is /t/=2C which is =
19th in Qov's list but 14th in mine. I'm quite sure this is because three o=
f the main characters have names with /t/ in them: 'avtanDIl=2C taryel=2C a=
nd tIna'tIn. Removing these makes /t/ drop in frequency to 16th (below /ch/=
). The two other big discrepancies are /gh/ and /v/=2C both of which are mo=
re common in my list: /v/ and /gh/ are 9th and 13th in mine=2C compared to =
12th and 17th in Qov's. I'd put this down to narrative style=2C as a great =
deal of mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI' is people talking to and about themselves: the=
re's likely a lot of vI- and -'egh causing this. The frequency of /j/ also =
agrees with that=2C as does the fact that /I/ (in both /jI-/ and /vI-/) out=
ranks both /e/ and /o/=2C where it doesn't for nuq bop bom.
All my other letters=2C though=2C differ by two places or less from Qov's l=
ist. /ng/ is last for me too=2C by a very considerable margin. The fact tha=
t /ch/ is actually *less* frequent for me is odd=2C though=2C because I hap=
pen to know that my natural form for "but" (one of the most frequent words =
in written text) is /'ach/ while Qov more usually seems to uses /'a/.
QeS
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I've been out of the loop for a while so haven't been able to say anything =
much in the thread=2C but:<br><br>jatlh Qov:<br>>=3B=20
It's not very many words you have there=2C so probably only 'ay''a' wa'. It
would be interesting to compare to Hamlet or any other
manuscript.<br><br>luq=2C qaH. :) For Qov's (and others') interest=2C I've =
just done a letter-frequency using maHvatlh's tool on what I've done so far=
for mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI'. This comprises 80 'ay'mey=2C and around 20=2C700=
words up to the moment. Since I've rendered all names into Klingon phonota=
ctics=2C some of the frequencies will be skewed slightly by names=2C but he=
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nt></p><br>/m/ is slightly overrepresented and /b/ and /D/ slightly underre=
presented=20
because of a couple of short exchanges in Krotmag dialect=2C but there are
large enough gaps between /m/=2C /b/ and /D/ and their neighbours that sta=
ndardising the Krotmag exchanges won't alter the relative distributions. I =
haven't included /N/-counts for this reason.<br><br>The comparison to the l=
ist from nuq bop bom is intriguing. For starters=2C in my text qaghwI' is t=
he most frequent of ALL letters! This agrees well with Qov's assertion that=
the Scrabble distribution needs more qaghwI'mey. The letter with the bigge=
st discrepancy between our lists is /t/=2C which is 19th in Qov's list but =
14th in mine. I'm quite sure this is because three of the main characters h=
ave names with /t/ in them: 'avtanDIl=2C taryel=2C and tIna'tIn. Removing t=
hese makes /t/ drop in frequency to 16th (below /ch/). The two other big di=
screpancies are /gh/ and /v/=2C both of which are more common in my list: /=
v/ and /gh/ are 9th and 13th in mine=2C compared to 12th and 17th in Qov's.=
I'd put this down to narrative style=2C as a great deal of mIl'oD veDDIr S=
uvwI' is people talking to and about themselves: there's likely a lot of vI=
- and -'egh causing this. The frequency of /j/ also agrees with that=2C as =
does the fact that /I/ (in both /jI-/ and /vI-/) outranks both /e/ and /o/=
=2C where it doesn't for nuq bop bom.<br><br>All my other letters=2C though=
=2C differ by two places or less from Qov's list. /ng/ is last for me too=
=2C by a very considerable margin. The fact that /ch/ is actually *less* fr=
equent for me is odd=2C though=2C because I happen to know that my natural =
form for "but" (one of the most frequent words in written text) is /'ach/ w=
hile Qov more usually seems to uses /'a/.<br><br>QeS<br> </div><=
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