[95067] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Trains
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Thu Nov 22 17:54:08 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:53:51 +1000
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ghItlhpu' Felix=2C jatlh:
> I believe this was first seen in paq'batlh=2C with the phrase {lujang maS=
=92e=92 loQ So=92be=92bogh QIb lurur} ("They reply=2C shaped as the crescen=
t moon.")
> This phrase rather interestignly shows {loQ} coming after the object=3B n=
ot sure if that's allowed because of the -'e'=2C or some undiscovered gramm=
atical rule=2C or just fancy language.
This has been rehashed several times on the list=3B this very pattern is ex=
plicitly discussed in the TKD Addendum=2C section 6.8.
As for "undiscovered grammatical rule"=2C my personal belief is that the pa=
ttern can be simply interpreted using rules we already have. I think {loQ} =
can come after the object here because {-'e'} is a Type 5 suffix=2C and lik=
e all nouns with Type 5 suffixes (see TKD section 6.1)=2C it is possible to=
put an {-'e'}-marked noun in the so-called "header" position=2C at the beg=
inning of the sentence: cf. {qIbDaq SuvwI''e' SoH Dun law' Hoch Dun puS} "y=
ou would be the greatest warrior in the galaxy" from=2C I believe=2C ST5.
QeS
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ghItlhpu' Felix=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B I believe this was first seen in paq'ba=
tlh=2C with the phrase {lujang maS=92e=92 loQ So=92be=92bogh QIb lurur} ("T=
hey reply=2C shaped as the crescent moon.")<br><div>>=3B This phrase rath=
er interestignly shows {loQ} coming after the object=3B not sure if that's =
allowed because of the -'e'=2C or some undiscovered grammatical rule=2C or =
just fancy language.<br><br>This has been rehashed several times on the lis=
t=3B this very pattern is explicitly discussed in the TKD Addendum=2C secti=
on 6.8.<br><br>As for "undiscovered grammatical rule"=2C my personal belief=
is that the pattern can be simply interpreted using rules we already have.=
I think {loQ} can come after the object here because {-'e'} is a Type 5 su=
ffix=2C and like all nouns with Type 5 suffixes (see TKD section 6.1)=2C it=
is possible to put an {-'e'}-marked noun in the so-called "header" positio=
n=2C at the beginning of the sentence: cf. {qIbDaq SuvwI''e' SoH Dun law' H=
och Dun puS} "you would be the greatest warrior in the galaxy" from=2C I be=
lieve=2C ST5.<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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