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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Doq 'ej wovbe'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Mon Oct 15 11:56:24 2012
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:55:44 -0400
To: "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Cc: Klingon language email discussion forum <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:40 AM, ghunchu'wI' 'utlh <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>> The type "phrase" is used
>> in my database software to represent a "complete canon phrase that has
>> a defined English meaning and is published as being a standalone
>> sentence, as those phrases in The Klingon Way are".
>
> I don't understand. So far as I can tell, {Doq 'ej wovbe'} *is* a
> "complete canon phrase" in exactly the way you say you use "phrase" in
> your software. Are you using a specialized definition of something, or
> making an assumption somewhere, that you think is so obvious that it
> doesn't need to be stated?
To my database, "phrases" are published sentences that have been
translated for a specific purpose and most often have a cultural or
idiomatic meaning attached to them, to separate them from simple
example sentences, which is what {Doq 'ej wovbe'} is. {'utbe' bel},
{Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam} and {Hov ghajbe'bogh ram rur pegh ghajbe'bogh
jaj} are "phrases" to my database, sentences that have been set in
stone and are most often used without changing them. {Doq 'ej wovbe'}
isn't such a "phrase" in my mind, it's an example of one way to say
brown.
>
>> If someone has a complete source for all the words, I will
>> happily merge that into my database and include the information.
>
> In what format would you prefer me to send it to you? Note that what I
> put in my own dictionary is almost exclusively individual words. The
> only multi-word entry in my lexicon database that isn't a noun is the
> exclamation {buy' ngop}.
>
Something like a CSV or excel spreadsheet should work fine.
The only multi-word entries I have that are glossed as verbs are {Doq
'ej wovbe'} and {DoS chIl} (which includes information about how to
conjugate it in the English gloss).
qurgh
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