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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' cha' - 12.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Tue Aug 21 23:11:15 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:10:39 +1000
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jIjatlhpu':> Warnings: None. From here out I'll provide warnings only when =
they're needed
mujang Qov=2C jatlh:
> I found that providing them when they weren't needed helped me not forget=
them when they were.
QaQ qeSvetlh.
jIH:
> (the whole story's probably only really PG=20
Qov:
> Aw don't say that. I'm still holding out for the scene where 'avtanDIl an=
d tIna'tIn make out in passionate detail=2C possibly on horseback.
yIloSlI'! 'ay'vam lutlha'taH 'ay'mey law'.
jIH:
> to Qov's MA).
Qov:
> I don't know the Austraiian rating system=2C but the American one would p=
robably give me an R for qImyal's impalement=2C
Ahhh=2C bIlugh. ralchu' 'ej ghaytan naDev R qotlh je.
> and then an even harsher one for the Mahoun/'eSSIm sex scenes.
I'm not even going to pretend I know what that's about=3B the US censors ar=
e such selective prudes. I recently watched an American medical documentary=
in which a *dramatisation* of a surgery - i.e. no real blood=2C no real su=
rgery - had to be in black and white and with the allegedly squicky bits bl=
urred out.
> Heck=2C it would probably get a more restrictive rating for Hota'ro walki=
ng around without a shirt than for Hota'ro' getting stabbed
> through the torso. I suppose it depends on camera angles.=20
teHbej.
> And I think I had better give a content warning for this commentary. Anyo=
ne sharing the sexual squeamishness of American
> censors=2C may wish to slap me.
Hee hee. :)
> Also=2C sorry QeS. But I am having a lot of fun.
yItlhIjQo'! vItIvtaH je jIH. 'e' yIHonQo'. I'm beginning to suspect we may =
be uncontrollable when we hit qep'a'.
jIH:
> jang 'utlh: =ABmuvItba'ta' puqbe'wI' mob=2C=BB
Qov:
> I know you're going for 'only daughter' but it could be interpreted as 'l=
onely daughter'. How about wa'DIch QavDIch je.
Good point. I'm not sure QavDIch is legal though. What do you think of wa'D=
Ich HochDIch je?
jIH:
> 'ej ghurmoHtaH bel. Datvo' voDleH[1] quS'a' pa'Daq bom muchwI'=2C qul mI'=
wI' lurItlu'=3B nobmey law' lunoblu'. not nobqangwI' nIv boghmoHta' QI'tu'!=
=20
Qov:
> chay' mIpvam boSpu' voDleH? rup 'ej nobqa'taH.
jIHagh! teHbej. DuH latlh: Sumbogh Sepmey weH 'ej mIp nIH. ghaytan qaS Hoch=
cha'.
jIH:
> qaStaHvIS wanI'=2C pa'DajDaq ba'taH 'avtanDIl=2C yIvbeHDaj neH tuQtaHvIS.=
=20
Qov:
> jIHaghqu'! pa'Daq ba'taHvIS loD=2C yopwaH tuQbe'taHvIS nuq ta'taH? nejtaH=
vIS voDleH toy'wI'pu'=2C pIj tIna'tIn leghpu' 'ach wej tlhob 'e' ngIl. What=
's Klingon for 'box of Kleenex and bottle of lotion'?
jIHvaD lutvam DaQaw'taH SoH=2C 'e' Datlhoj'a'?? :P
jIH:
> bomtaH ghaH=2C loptaH=2C HurDagh yachtaH.
Qov:
> Dejchu' Qov HaghtaHvIS. So that's what they call it in the Empire. Poor '=
avtanDIl.
pa'DajDaq ghaHbejtaH! ngaQ lojmItDaj! 'ej SaH pagh 'e' Harba' ghaH. Do'Ha'=
=2C reH SaHtaH lut qonwI' mIgh 'e' tlhojbe' 'avtanDIl=2C 'ej qonwI'vaD pagh=
So'lu'. >:)
jIH:
> tugh pa'Daj ghoS tIna'tIn=20
Qov:
> lojmIt Damup 'e' yIlIjQo'=2C be'! pay' 'avtanDIl HurDagh Dalegh DaneHbe'.=
> (Apparently your explicit non warning hasn't stunted my imagination any)=
.
Dammit=2C I'm at uni. Sitting here trying to stifle my laughter is getting =
tougher by the moment.
(poD vay')
jIH:
> tagha' jul'a'Daj qIHmo' belqu'choH je=3B
Qov:
> qaSpu' DIS 'ej wej qIHqu'pu'? loD vIvup.
tuvbej ghaH. 'ej boHchoHchugh=2C reH SaHtaH HurDaghDaj. (Sorry=2C I just co=
uldn't resist.)
jIH:
> 'IHwI' bejlaHchugh 'ej bangDajDaq SumlaHchugh=2C belchoHbej vay'. HemtaHv=
IS 'ej jaqtaHvIS=2C
Qov:
> Do' DaH jeqbe'taHvIS.
*groan*
jIH:
> paghmo' tuH ghaH.=20
Qov:
> yopwaH tuQbe'taH'a'?
qarlaw'! 'oH tuQbe'law'pu'. Poor guy - so smitten he doesn't even remember =
to wear his pants. Maybe I should make note in the text that he doesn't act=
ually go to tIna'tIn half-naked.
jIH:
> ba'taHvIS nIvwI' ghajbe'bogh be'vetlh'e'=2C 'IQlaw'. wov=2C 'ej chal 'ul =
rur=3B=20
Qov:
> chal 'ul rur. Qob'a'?
ghobe'=2C wov: {wov 'ej chal 'ul rur}. {'ej} vIlo'be' 'e' DaQub'a'?
jIH:
> tlhoS maS luSo' tIHHeyDaj. porghDaj lang=20
Qov:
> Daj. langwI' maS 'avtanDIl. be' Ha'DIbaH yap vImaS jIH.
Well=2C since there's nothing on the Klingon vocabulary spectrum between la=
ng and pI'/ror...
jIH:
> vel nItbogh veDDIr nIv=3B volchaHDajvo' HuS waghqu'law'bogh ngup tIS. 'ac=
h 'IHmoHmeH 'ut neH qIjbogh 'ej tIq charghbogh Huy'Du'Daj'e'=2C=20
Qov:
> "Doj nguplIj tIna'tIn. ravwIjDaq nIvlaw'."
chojoy'taH 'e' DatIvba'. :P
(poD latlh)
jIH:
> nguqHa' 'ej vuvtaH 'avtanDIl=2C ba'DI'. bejchuq qabchaj=3B belchoHchu' 'a=
vtanDIl=2C bangna'Daj bejtaHvIS.
> jatlh loD: =AB'o muSeHchu'bogh be''a'=2C chay' qajatlhlaH? jul ghomchugh =
maS'e'=2C natlhlu'pu' 'ej ngabqu'law'.=20
Qov:
> I'm not quite following how the sun overwhelming the moon is a specific c=
omplement to tIna'tIn=2C when 'avtanDIl says it=2C unless it's just
> universally understood that she is the sun.
Pretty much=2C yes. Though 'avtanDIl and the mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI' both get =
the sun-like comparisons throughout the poem as well so it gets awful confu=
sing at times.
jIH:
> DaH jIHvo' mu'mey natlhlu'pu' 'ej ngabchoHlaw' yabwIj'e'. vaj Du'IQmoHpu'=
bogh wanI'=2C DuQuchqa'moHlaHbogh mIw je HIjatlh.=BB
Qov:
> 'IQ'a'? 'IQ tIna'tIn wej net Del.
vIjatlh 'e' vIbej: "...ba'taHvIS nIvwI' ghajbe'bogh be'vetlh'e'=2C 'IQlaw'.=
wov=2C 'ej chal 'ul rur..." jIchuHnISqa''a'? chaq jIjatlh: {'IQqu'law' je =
ghaH}.
jIH:
> SKI: roStevan decides the warrior in the sabre bear pelt was just an evil=
spirit=2C and so calls for the celebrations to start anew. But tIna'tIn is=
n't so sure and summons 'avtanDIl to her to help ease her heart's continuin=
g pain.
Qov:
> Careful. Your summary just gave out info that the reader doesn't have. I =
wanted to spend the day imagining that she had summoned him for a quickie i=
n the throne room.
Fair enough - I'll try to be more careful. (Though maybe a quickie in the t=
hrone room is how she deals with her pain. It'd sure as hell take 'avtanDIl=
's mind off his.)
> I'm off to google Rustaveli slash fiction now. I'll try to be better beha=
ved with respect to the next 'ay'.
Oh=2C if you must. :P
QeS
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<div><div>jIjatlhpu':<div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=3B Warnings: None. From here=
out I'll provide warnings only when they're needed</div></div><div><br></d=
iv>mujang Qov=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B I found that providing them when they wer=
en't needed helped me not forget them when they were.<br><br>QaQ qeSvetlh.<=
br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B (the whole story's probably only really PG <div><br>Q=
ov:<br></div>>=3B Aw don't say that. I'm still holding out for the scene =
where 'avtanDIl and tIna'tIn make out in passionate detail=2C possibly on h=
orseback.<br><br>yIloSlI'! 'ay'vam lutlha'taH 'ay'mey law'.<br><div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br>jIH:<br>>=3B to Qov's MA).<br></div></div><div><br>Qov:<br>=
</div>>=3B I don't know the Austraiian rating system=2C but the American =
one would probably give me an R for qImyal's impalement=2C<br><br>Ahhh=2C b=
Ilugh. ralchu' 'ej ghaytan naDev R qotlh je.<br><br>>=3B and then an even=
harsher one for the Mahoun/'eSSIm sex scenes.<br><br>I'm not even going to=
pretend I know what that's about=3B the US censors are such selective prud=
es. I recently watched an American medical documentary in which a *dramatis=
ation* of a surgery - i.e. no real blood=2C no real surgery - had to be in =
black and white and with the allegedly squicky bits blurred out.<br><br>>=
=3B Heck=2C it would probably get a more restrictive rating for Hota'ro wal=
king around without a shirt than for Hota'ro' getting stabbed<br>>=3B thr=
ough the torso. I suppose it depends on camera angles. <br><br>teHbej.<br><=
/div></div><div><div><br></div><div>>=3B And I think I had better give a =
content warning for this commentary. Anyone sharing the sexual squeamishnes=
s of American<br>>=3B censors=2C may wish to slap me.<br><br>Hee hee. :)<=
br><br>>=3B Also=2C sorry QeS. But I am having a lot of fun.<br><br>yItlh=
IjQo'! vItIvtaH je jIH. 'e' yIHonQo'. I'm beginning to suspect we may be un=
controllable when we hit qep'a'.<br></div><br><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">jI=
H:<br>>=3B jang 'utlh: =ABmuvItba'ta' puqbe'wI' mob=2C=BB</div></div><div=
><br>Qov:<br></div>>=3B I know you're going for 'only daughter' but it co=
uld be interpreted as 'lonely daughter'. How about wa'DIch QavDIch je.<br><=
br>Good point. I'm not sure QavDIch is legal though. What do you think of w=
a'DIch HochDIch je?<br><br>jIH:<br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=3B 'ej ghurmoH=
taH bel. Datvo' voDleH[1] quS'a' pa'Daq bom muchwI'=2C qul mI'wI' lurItlu'=
=3B nobmey law' lunoblu'. not nobqangwI' nIv boghmoHta' QI'tu'! </div></div=
><div><br>Qov:<br></div>>=3B chay' mIpvam boSpu' voDleH? rup 'ej nobqa'ta=
H.<br><br>jIHagh! teHbej. DuH latlh: Sumbogh Sepmey weH 'ej mIp nIH. ghayta=
n qaS Hoch cha'.<br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>jIH:<br>>=3B qaS=
taHvIS wanI'=2C pa'DajDaq ba'taH 'avtanDIl=2C yIvbeHDaj neH tuQtaHvIS. </di=
v></div><div><br></div>Qov:<br>>=3B jIHaghqu'! pa'Daq ba'taHvIS loD=2C yo=
pwaH tuQbe'taHvIS nuq ta'taH? nejtaHvIS voDleH toy'wI'pu'=2C pIj tIna'tIn l=
eghpu' 'ach wej tlhob 'e' ngIl. What's Klingon for 'box of Kleenex and bott=
le of lotion'?</div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>jIHvaD lutvam DaQaw'taH =
SoH=2C 'e' Datlhoj'a'?? :P<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B bomtaH ghaH=2C loptaH=2C H=
urDagh yachtaH.</div></div><div><br>Qov:<br></div>>=3B Dejchu' Qov Haghta=
HvIS. So that's what they call it in the Empire. Poor 'avtanDIl.<br><br>pa'=
DajDaq ghaHbejtaH! ngaQ lojmItDaj! 'ej SaH pagh 'e' Harba' ghaH. Do'Ha'=2C =
reH SaHtaH lut qonwI' mIgh 'e' tlhojbe' 'avtanDIl=2C 'ej qonwI'vaD pagh So'=
lu'. >=3B:)<br><br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">jIH:<br>>=3B tugh p=
a'Daj ghoS tIna'tIn </div></div><div><br></div>Qov:<br>>=3B lojmIt Damup =
'e' yIlIjQo'=2C be'! pay' 'avtanDIl HurDagh Dalegh DaneHbe'. =3B</div><=
div>>=3B (Apparently your explicit non warning hasn't stunted my imaginat=
ion any).<br><br>Dammit=2C I'm at uni. Sitting here trying to stifle my lau=
ghter is getting tougher by the moment.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>(poD =
vay')<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B tagha' jul'a'Daj qIHmo' belqu'choH je=3B<br><br=
>Qov:<br> </div><div><div>>=3B qaSpu'<span class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" =
style=3D""> DIS 'ej wej qIHqu'pu'? loD vIvup.<br><br>tuvbej ghaH. 'ej boHch=
oHchugh=2C reH SaHtaH HurDaghDaj. (Sorry=2C I just couldn't resist.)<br></s=
pan></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>jIH:<br>>=3B 'IHwI' bejlaHchugh 'ej bangDa=
jDaq SumlaHchugh=2C belchoHbej vay'. HemtaHvIS 'ej jaqtaHvIS=2C</div><div><=
br></div>Qov:<br>>=3B Do' DaH jeqbe'taHvIS.<br><br>*groan*<div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br>jIH:<br>>=3B paghmo' tuH ghaH. </div></div><div><br>Qov:<br>=
</div>>=3B yopwaH tuQbe'taH'a'?<br><br>qarlaw'! 'oH tuQbe'law'pu'. Poor g=
uy - so smitten he doesn't even remember to wear his pants. Maybe I should =
make note in the text that he doesn't actually go to tIna'tIn half-naked.<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>jIH:<br>>=3B ba'taHvIS nIvwI' ghajbe'bogh be=
'vetlh'e'=2C 'IQlaw'. wov=2C 'ej chal 'ul rur=3B </div><div><div><br>Qov:<b=
r></div>>=3B chal 'ul rur. Qob'a'?<br><br>ghobe'=2C wov: {wov 'ej chal 'u=
l rur}. {'ej} vIlo'be' 'e' DaQub'a'?<br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>jIH:<br>&=
gt=3B tlhoS maS luSo' tIHHeyDaj. porghDaj lang </div></div><div><br>Qov:<br=
></div><div>>=3B Daj. langwI' maS 'avtanDIl. be' Ha'DIbaH yap vImaS jIH.<=
br><br>Well=2C since there's nothing on the Klingon vocabulary spectrum bet=
ween lang and pI'/ror...<br></div></div><div><span class=3D"ecxApple-style-=
span" style=3D""><br>jIH:<br>>=3B vel nItbogh veDDIr nIv=3B volchaHDajvo'=
HuS waghqu'law'bogh ngup tIS. 'ach 'IHmoHmeH 'ut neH qIjbogh 'ej tIq charg=
hbogh Huy'Du'Daj'e'=2C </span><div><br>Qov:<br></div>>=3B "Doj nguplIj tI=
na'tIn. ravwIjDaq nIvlaw'."<br><br>chojoy'taH 'e' DatIvba'. :P<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"ecxApple-style-span" style=3D""></span><br>(po=
D latlh)<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B nguqHa' 'ej vuvtaH 'avtanDIl=2C ba'DI'. bejc=
huq qabchaj=3B belchoHchu' 'avtanDIl=2C bangna'Daj bejtaHvIS.<br>>=3B jat=
lh loD: =AB'o muSeHchu'bogh be''a'=2C chay' qajatlhlaH? jul ghomchugh maS'e=
'=2C natlhlu'pu' 'ej ngabqu'law'. </div><div><div><br></div>Qov:<br>>=3B =
I'm not quite following how the sun overwhelming the moon is a specific com=
plement to tIna'tIn=2C when 'avtanDIl says it=2C unless it's just<br>>=3B=
universally understood that she is the sun.<br><br>Pretty much=2C yes. Tho=
ugh 'avtanDIl and the mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI' both get the sun-like comparison=
s throughout the poem as well so it gets awful confusing at times.<br></div=
><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>jIH:<br>>=3B DaH jIHvo' mu'mey natlhlu'pu=
' 'ej ngabchoHlaw' yabwIj'e'. vaj Du'IQmoHpu'bogh wanI'=2C DuQuchqa'moHlaHb=
ogh mIw je HIjatlh.=BB<br></div></div><div><br></div>Qov:<br>>=3B 'IQ'a'?=
'IQ tIna'tIn wej net Del.<br><br>vIjatlh 'e' vIbej: "...ba'taHvIS nIvwI' g=
hajbe'bogh be'vetlh'e'=2C 'IQlaw'. wov=2C 'ej chal 'ul rur..." jIchuHnISqa'=
'a'? chaq jIjatlh: {'IQqu'law' je ghaH}.<br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br>jIH:<br>>=3B SKI: roStevan decides the warrior in the sabre bear pe=
lt was just an evil spirit=2C and so calls for the celebrations to start an=
ew. But tIna'tIn isn't so sure and summons 'avtanDIl to her to help ease he=
r heart's continuing pain.<br></div></div><br>Qov:<br></div><div>>=3B Car=
eful. Your summary just gave out info that the reader doesn't have. I wante=
d to spend the day imagining that she had summoned him for a quickie in the=
throne room.<br><br>Fair enough - I'll try to be more careful. (Though may=
be a quickie in the throne room is how she deals with her pain. It'd sure a=
s hell take 'avtanDIl's mind off his.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>>=3B =
I'm off to google Rustaveli slash fiction now. I'll try to be better behave=
d with respect to the next 'ay'.<br><br>Oh=2C if you must. :P<br><br>QeS<br=
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