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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' cha' - 11. yIvoq 'ach
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Qov)
Tue Aug 21 11:59:46 2012
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:57:37 -0600
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
From: Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W269FF42762A57DADB7BB3CAAB80@phx.gbl>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
At 07:25 '?????' 8/21/2012, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh wrote:
>jIH:
> > =ABDaHjaj Dunbogh SuvwI' Qup 'ej 'IHbogh vIqIHpu'.
>
>Qov:
> > Daj. not mangghom ra'wI'Daj qIHlaw'pu' =
> roStevan', 'a voDleH mojmo' tIna'tIn, pIj SuchlaH 'e' Har 'avtanDIl.
>
>pIj mangghomDaj ra'wI'pu' ghom voDleH 'e' vIpIH =
>jIH, 'ach lutDaq QIjbe'lu'... vIchel 'e' vISIv.
vIlaDtaHvIS 'avtanDIl qel, ''e vIHar neH. SIbI' =
mIl'oD veDDIr loD qel 'e' vItlhoj. qay'be' 'e' vIHar.
>jIH:
> > 'u', qo' Hoch HeH je wovmoHlaw' ghaH, 'ach SaQtaH.
>
>Qov:
> > toH. 'avtanDIl qelbe'. chotwI' qel. SaQtaHvIS =
> neH loD, laH chovlaHbe' roStevan vaj nuq chov? 'IH'a' nov?
> > chaq Rambo rur. ineghDaj HoHDI' laH chov. po' 'ach Dun'a'?
>
>vangHa' chaq 'e' tlhoj. pe'vIl SuvwI' jon 'e' nID 'ej chaq muj chaq 'e' tl=
hoj.
QaQ qechvetlh.
>jIH:
> > ghaH 'IQmoHpu'bogh wanI' vIngu'laHbe', ghaH =
> SaQmoHpu'bogh nuv vIngu'laHbe'.
>
>Qov:
> > chaq tIna'tIn 'IH leghpu' 'ach not ghajlaHmo' =
> SaQ. 'a wanI'vetlh SaHbe' tIna'tIn. chaq 'avtanDIl neHqu'.
>
>Daj! not 'e' vIqel. 'ach 'e' qel roStevan 'e' vIHarbe'.
'IHbej 'avtanDIl net Sov. chaq Ha'DIbaHmey law' =
HoHchu'mo' 'avtanDIl roStevan je 'IQ.
>jIH:
> > mujatlhQo' 'ej mughoSQo', vaj vInuQchoHlu' 'ej ghaHvaD jIghoHchoH.
>
>Qov:
> > boHchoH DaHech'a'?
>
>QaQqu' je, 'ach ghobe', {ghoH} vIHechbejpu'. =
>jatlh DIvI' Hol chovnatlh: "I was irritated and =
>quarrelled with him." But since the warrior in =
>the sabre bear pelt didn't say anything, I guess ghoH is kinda weird here.
HIja'. chaq qaq Sol.
>Haha, for sure. "He didn't salute me, dammit! So =
>I sent twelve men to their deaths!"
So he did kill them all. Who were the injured who =
were being bandaged up? I couldn't quite work that out.
>jIH:
> > jang puqbe'Daj. jatlh: =ABmu'mey qajatlhbogh DaQoy 'e' yInID. 'o 'utlh,
>
>Qov:
> > <<loD yIDa jay'!>>
>
>In Australia we'd tell him to pour himself a glass of cement.
not vIQoypu'.
>There's no Klingon word for cement.
chaq "SoHvaD HIvje'Daq nagh taS yIlIch."
>I'm laughing too much to be offering much more =
>in the way of comment hereafter.
DaHjaj pojwIj yIHaj!
>jIH:
> > Hom Ha'DIbaH je
>
>Qov:
> > ghunchu'wI' is against that use of Ha'DIbaH =
> but I'm fine with it. I think it's living or very recently living flesh.
>
>Now I think about it I remember we also have the =
>lexeme Somraw, so to be safe I might switch back =
>to it. Not that I have a problem with Ha'DIbaH in that sense either, thoug=
h.
qechvethvaD Qapbej <Hom Somraw je>.
>jIH:
> > lIbotjaj pagh. yoSmeyDaq bojaHlaHbe'bogh, =
> vengmeyDaq bo'ellaHbe'bogh je QInmey tIlI'.=BB
>
>Qov:
> > That would be clearer were it yoSmeyDaq =
> bojaHlaHbe'chugh ... I'm not quite getting rhe =
> connection between bo'ellaHbr'bogh and QIn.
>
>It's intended to be "send messages to districts =
>where you can go, and to cities you cannot =
>enter". I might repeat the {QInmey tIlI'} bit to clarify.
Oh, I got more of a "let me know if there's =
anywhere you aren't permitted to go" vibe from =
it. I didn't get at all that they were extending =
their reach by using messages as opposed to =
personal visits. Multiple meanings of -Daq.
>jIH:
> > mej toy'wI'pu' law', jaH, Hoch DuH lu'ol. =
> qaStaHvIS wa' DIS lengtaH.[3] Qupbogh loDvetlh Huj lunejlI'
> > 'ej luwamlI', nuvpu' ghel, nuvpu' ghelqa', =
> nuvpu' ghelqa'qu'. qo' HochDaq loD Qup leghpu'bogh vay'
> > lutu'laHbe'qu'chu'. lujpu'DI' chaH, =
> Doy'taHvIS 'ej yonHa'taHvIS roStevanDaq chegh.
>
>Qov:
> > vaj qa' ghaHlaw'. yIleS, roStevan.
>
>yItuv'eghmoH SoH! :P
lut vItIvqu'meH loQ jIjeSnIS.
>jIH:
> > [2] Though in the original Tinatin is the =
> monarch of Arabia (the Georgian word is /mepe/ "king"),
> > voDleH/ta' seems a little too much, since the =
> story involves several rulers of various Sepmey. So
> > tIna'tIn is the joH'a', and the petty lords =
> she rules over, I'm calling jawpu' (I know joH and jaw are
> > synonyms, but making them distinct makes the =
> terminology a little less confusing).
>
>Qov:
> > I'm totally happy with her as voDleH. There's no higher authority, righ=
t?
>
>lugh. choH Dachupbogh vIlajqangbej.
maj.
- Qov =
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