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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qul tuq.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Fri Aug 10 17:12:03 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:10:48 +0000
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> Interestingly, the last line parallels this bit from another song, the Wa=
rrior=92s Anthem:
> yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'
> Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw.
> [...]
> pa' reH maSuvtaHqu'.
> mamevQo'. maSuvtaH. ma'ov.
Indeed; those two are even from the same game.
However, I'm quite sure it's not jaqbogh yoHbogh je; to my ear, the <'ej> i=
s the clearest word of the entire song.
________________________________
From: Steven Boozer [sboozer@uchicago.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 22:15
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qul tuq.
Interestingly, the last line parallels this bit from another song, the Warr=
ior=92s Anthem:
yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'
Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw.
[...]
pa' reH maSuvtaHqu'.
mamevQo'. maSuvtaH. ma'ov.
The blood of battle washes clean
The Warrior brave and true.
[...]
where we battle forever,
battling on through the Eternal Fight.
If it is by Okrand, could this actually be {reH SuvtaH jaqbogh yoHbogh je g=
hotpu=92}? Just an idea.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:38 PM
The transcript in klingonska.org's canon archive reads:
Uuaaooo ma-kool aaaooo ma-sar reshuv tak yak bo ej gogh bow
ghotpu'.
It's hard to make out, but I think this is what Marc Okrand might have actu=
ally written:
'o meQ qul!
'o meQ chal!
reH SuvtaH jaqbogh 'ej yoHbogh(?) ghotpu'.
So:
Oh, the fire burns!
Oh, the sky burns!
The brave and bold people are always fighting.
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nbsp; pa' reH maSuvtaHqu'</span></b></font><font size=3D"2">.</font></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">maSuvtaH</span></b>.
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">ma'ov</span></b>.</font></p>
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nt size=3D"2">Indeed; those two are even from the same game.<br>
However, I'm quite sure it's not jaqbogh yoHbogh je; to my ear, the <'ej=
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]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 22:15<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qul tuq.<br>
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size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Pica; font-weight:b=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt"><b><font face=3D"Pica" =
size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Pica; font-weight:b=
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old"> mamevQo'</span></font></b><font face=3D"Pica"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Pica">. <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">maSuvtaH</span>=
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<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">ma'ov</span></b>.</span></font><=
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e=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Pica"> The blood=
of battle washes clean</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt"><font face=3D"Pica" siz=
e=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Pica"> The Warri=
or brave and true.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt"><font face=3D"Pica" siz=
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attle forever,
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=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Pica"> battl=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Pica" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12.0pt; font-family:Pica">If it is by Okrand, could this actually be {r=
eH SuvtaH jaqbogh yoHbogh je ghotpu=92}? Just an idea.</span></font><=
/p>
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on Master of the Klingons</span></font></p>
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-seri=
f""> Felix
Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se] <br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 10, 201=
2 2:38 PM<br>
<br>
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if"; color:black">The transcript in klingonska.org's canon archive rea=
ds:
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<pre><font color=3D"black" face=3D"Courier New" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt; color:black">Uuaaooo ma-kool aaaooo ma-sar reshuv tak yak =
bo ej gogh bow</span></font></pre>
<pre><font color=3D"black" face=3D"Courier New" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt; color:black">ghotpu'.</span></font></pre>
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It's hard to make out, but I think this is what Marc Okrand might have actu=
ally written:<br>
<br>
'o meQ qul!<br>
'o meQ chal!<br>
reH SuvtaH jaqbogh 'ej yoHbogh(?) ghotpu'.<br>
<br>
So:<br>
Oh, the fire burns!<br>
Oh, the sky burns!<br>
The brave and bold people are always fighting.<br>
<br>
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