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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' cha'vatlh vaghmaH: bom HoS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Aug 1 13:20:14 2012
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:19:51 -0700
To: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
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On 2012-08-01, at 7:40, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wrot=
e:
> ghItlhpu' Qov, jatlh:
> > Slightly early again, for the benefit of the Australian contingent. :-)
>=20
> You spoil me, you really do. :)
jIloStaH vIneHbe'.=20
> (poD vay')
>=20
> > mIw vaQ lo'ta' 'eSSIm 'ej qImyal 'etlh botchu'. chong!
>=20
> chongbej! wab Delchu' mu'vetlh wab.
vaytaHvIS yanwI'pu' wabmeyvetlh luQoylu'be' 'ach net pIH. lut 'oHmo' QoylaHn=
IS laDwI'.=20
> > 'ach SIchpa' Qa'bar, 'eSSIm Hugh mupmeH ro', ret'aq ghap lo'qu' qImyal.
>=20
> jIHvaD loQ taQlaw'. qatlh mupmeH Doch Sov 'ach SovlaHchu'be'? 'ut'a' {ro',=
ret'aq ghap}? wa' latlh ghap wIvQo'meH meq vISIv.
nom vIHmo' qImyal nuH pup leghbe'pu' Mahoun. ret'aq 'uchtaHmo' ro' rurchuq. '=
ach mISmoHlaHlaw'mo' wa' vIwIv. vaQ ret'aq.=20
> > Dej 'eSSIm.
>=20
> Qo'! QI'yaH!
motlh lutDaq ghol law' Suvchu' wa' Sub. naDev Sub law' jeytaH wa' jagh. vIpa=
rHa'.=20
> > SaH yergho' 'eS, 'ach yergho' qIpDI' qImyal qIv 'o',
>=20
> qaghwI' ghajbe' {yergho}.
Qaghna' 'oH. jIp 'oghnIS. mu'ghom vIlo'be'taHmo' mu' vIghItlhHa'DI' wa' qelI=
'qam vIqetnIS. moHaq vIlo'Ha'DI' cha'maHlogh ravvo' rowIj vIpepnIS wuntaHvIS=
pIpwIj. latlh jIpmey tI'ogh.=20
Learning through pain: help devise punishments for Qov's careless and lazy e=
rrors.=20
> > rIQqu'chugh qatlh yavDaq pumbe'pu'? rIQqu'be'chugh qatlh QamtaH neH?
>=20
> Oh gawd. I think I see where this is going.
majQa'! ghu' vIDelmeH jIvumpu' 'ach naDev loy laDwI' 'e' vIpIHbe'.=20
> > pay' ghu' tlhoj Mahoun. qImyal DaqDaq yav jeq baS naQ. naQvetlhDaq pumch=
u'pu'mo' qImyal, ghaH DuQchu'pu'. ghaH Qutlh.
>=20
> SujlaHchu'bogh yab Daghaj, 'e' Datlhoj, qar'a'?
HIja' jIH muSujtaH. nIteb vI'oghbe'pu'. joy'meH mIwmey tIQ vIQultaHvIS qexh=
vISam. 'oghpu'bogh tIQwI''e' yIHaj.=20
'ach mIghwI'vaD Hegh le' vIta'nIS.=20
> > qImyal volchaHvo' loQ jeq baS 'erIn.
>=20
> {'er'In} 'oH; cha' qaghwI' ghaj.
cha' qelI'qammey.=20
> > pumDI' Sor 'ay'Hom, HIqHey meQmoH. nom HIq ngengHom DoQ qul.
>=20
> A wonderfully creative use of the word DoQ. majQa'.
I don't like to dilute words that have dpecific meanings by overysing yhem m=
etaphoricallt, but no one who has seen a fire spread would doubt that DoQ is=
an appropriate verb.=20
>=20
> > not rurbogh beymey Qoypu' Mahoun,
>=20
> {*lu*rurbogh} 'oHnIS'a'? jISovchu'be'.
beymey jach qImyal, vaj beymey rurbogh beymey qel. jIp vIjun.=20
> > Mahoun QumwI'vo' jatlh Raulyu ghogh, =ABMahoun? chorI'lI''a'? puchpa'Daq=
jIHpu'.=BB
>=20
> FWIW, I found these V7 suffixes perfectly appropriate.
>=20
> > jangbe' Mahoun. QumwI' chu'Ha' neH. jatlhrupbe'.[317]
>=20
> vImerlu'be'.
> Sobering. I'm not sure tIv is the right word for it. But again, very power=
ful.
'ay'vam luqaSmoHmeH 'ay'mey law' vIqon. Hoch latlhmey DalaDtaHbe' 'ach Dayaj=
mo', Daj.=20
jIDIS. DaH muD Duj vI'or. puH DujwIjDaq vIta'be' 'e' vIlay'.=20
- Qov=
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ghItlhpu' Qov, jatlh:<br>> Slightly early again, for the benefit of the A=
ustralian contingent.
:-)<br><br>You spoil me, you really do. :)<br></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div>jIloStaH vIneHbe'. <div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2">(poD vay')<b=
r><br>> mIw vaQ lo'ta' 'eSSIm 'ej qImyal 'etlh botchu'.
<i>chong!</i><br><br>chongbej! wab Delchu' mu'vetlh wab.<br></font></div></d=
iv></div></blockquote><div><br></div>vaytaHvIS yanwI'pu' wabmeyvetlh luQoylu=
'be' 'ach net pIH. lut 'oHmo' QoylaHnIS laDwI'. </div><div><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;=
" size=3D"2">> 'ach SIchpa'
Qa'bar, 'eSSIm Hugh mupmeH ro', ret'aq ghap lo'qu' qImyal.<br><br>jIHvaD loQ=
taQlaw'. qatlh mupmeH Doch Sov 'ach SovlaHchu'be'? 'ut'a' {ro', ret'aq ghap=
}? wa' latlh ghap wIvQo'meH meq vISIv.<br></font></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div>nom vIHmo' qImyal nuH pup leghbe'pu' Mahoun. ret'aq 'ucht=
aHmo' ro' rurchuq. 'ach mISmoHlaHlaw'mo' wa' vIwIv. vaQ ret'aq. </div><=
div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"=
font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2">> Dej 'eSSIm.<br><br>Qo'! QI'yaH!<br></font>=
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>motlh lutDaq ghol law' Suvchu'=
wa' Sub. naDev Sub law' jeytaH wa' jagh. vIparHa'. </div><div><br><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 1=
0pt;" size=3D"2">> SaH yergho' 'eS, </font><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt=
;" size=3D"2">'ach yergho' qIpDI' qImyal qIv 'o',</font><br><font style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2"><br>qaghwI' ghajbe' {yergho}.<br></font></div></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Qaghna' 'oH. jIp 'oghnIS. mu'ghom vIlo=
'be'taHmo' mu' vIghItlhHa'DI' wa' qelI'qam vIqetnIS. moHaq vIlo'Ha'DI' cha'm=
aHlogh ravvo' rowIj vIpepnIS wuntaHvIS pIpwIj. latlh jIpmey tI'ogh. </d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Learning through pain: help devise punishments for Qo=
v's careless and lazy errors. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2">> r=
IQqu'chugh qatlh yavDaq pumbe'pu'?
rIQqu'be'chugh qatlh QamtaH neH?<br><br>Oh gawd. I think I see where this is=
going.<br></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>majQa'! &nbs=
p;ghu' vIDelmeH jIvumpu' 'ach naDev loy laDwI' 'e' vIpIHbe'. </div><div=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2">> pay' ghu' tlhoj Mahoun. qImyal DaqDaq
yav jeq baS naQ. naQvetlhDaq pumchu'pu'mo' qImyal, ghaH DuQchu'pu'. ghaH
Qutlh.<br><br>SujlaHchu'bogh yab Daghaj, 'e' Datlhoj, qar'a'?<br></font></di=
v></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>HIja' jIH muSujtaH. nIteb vI=
'oghbe'pu'. joy'meH mIwmey tIQ vIQultaHvIS qexh vISam. <span class=3D"A=
pple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.29=
6875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webki=
t-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">'oghpu'bogh tIQwI=
''e' yIHaj. </span></div><div><br></div><div>'ach mIghwI'vaD Hegh le' v=
Ita'nIS. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2">> qImyal volchaHvo' loQ=
jeq baS 'erIn.<br><br>{'er'In} 'oH; cha' qaghwI' ghaj.<br></font></div></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><br></div>cha' qelI'qammey. </div><div><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;" size=3D"2">> pumDI' Sor 'ay'Hom,
HIqHey meQmoH. nom HIq ngengHom DoQ qul.<br><br>A wonderfully creative use o=
f the word DoQ. majQa'.<br></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></=
div>I don't like to dilute words that have dpecific meanings by overysing yh=
em metaphoricallt, but no one who has seen a fire spread would doubt that Do=
Q is an appropriate verb. <br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2"><br>> not rurbogh b=
eymey Qoypu' Mahoun,<br><br>{*lu*rurbogh} 'oHnIS'a'? jISovchu'be'.<br></font=
></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>beymey jach qImyal, vaj beyme=
y rurbogh beymey qel. jIp vIjun. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2">&g=
t; Mahoun QumwI'vo' jatlh Raulyu ghogh, =C2=ABMahoun? chorI'lI''a'? puchpa'D=
aq
jIHpu'.=C2=BB<br><br>FWIW, I found these V7 suffixes perfectly appropriate.<=
/font></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2"><br>> jangbe' M=
ahoun. QumwI' chu'Ha' neH. jatlhrupbe'.[317]<br><br>vImerlu'be'.<br></font><=
/div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" size=3D"2">Sobering. I=
'm not sure tIv is the right word for it. But again, very powerful.<br></fon=
t></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>'ay'vam luqaSmoHmeH 'ay'mey l=
aw' vIqon. Hoch latlhmey DalaDtaHbe' 'ach Dayajmo', Daj. </div><div><br=
></div><div>jIDIS. DaH muD Duj vI'or. puH DujwIjDaq vIta'be' 'e' vIlay'.&nbs=
p;</div><div><br></div><div>- Qov</div></body></html>=
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