[94217] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' cha'vatlh cha'maH chorgh:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue Jul 31 00:58:07 2012
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:56:15 -0600
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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At 16:54 '?????' 7/30/2012, Robyn Stewart wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">On 2012-07-30, at 13:42,
"ghunchu'wI' 'utlh"
<<a href=3D"mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:43 =
PM,
Qov
<<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>nab laj qoreQ. jolpat ravDaq gho' vajar. nISwI' beH, betleH je qemtaH
vajar[274],<br><br>
</dl>pu' HIchDaj lonpu''a'?</blockquote>Do'Ha' nge' qImyal, jonDI'. chaq
lIjbe'meJ laDwI' DaH qelnIS vajar. </blockquote><br>
jImISpu' jIjangtaHvIS. ngugh wej nge'pu' qImyal. pu'HIch
vIqelmoH.<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl>
<dd>'ach lotlhwI'pu' HIvmoHbe'meH DubDajDaq beH qem 'ej ghopDajvo' HuStaH
neH betleH. jolpat SeHlaw buS qoreQ 'ej leQmey law' 'uy. tagha' vajar
leghlaHghach wewchoHmoH jol 'ej ngoSchoH pa'.<br><br>
<dd>ngoSHa'lI' chob chIm. lurghDaj wIvmeH 'IjchoH vajar. ghaH tlhopDaq
ghoghmey QoylaHmo' DuvchoH. lotlhwI'pu'vaD jatlhrupmeH pur vajar. Huj.
may' larghlaHbe'. chaq chobvamvaD jaS 'el muD ngeb.<br><br>
</dl>pagh chaq chIch chob mujDaq jolta' lotlhbe'bogh
qoreQ.</blockquote>'e' DaQub'a'? :-) vIqontaHvIS SIbI' loy laDwI'
'e' vIHaj, 'ach SovtaHvIS laDwI' Sovbe'taHvIS qaH'eng vajar je, Qap je
lut. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>vajar retlhDaq pum vay' mach. ngu'laHpa' vajar, jor. wovqu'choHmo'
chob, leghlaHbe'. pe'vIl muplaw'mo' muD tlhoS tlhuHlaHbe'.<br><br>
</dl>ghaytan QoylaHbe' je.<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>nom chob lu'el negh law'. 'omqu'bej vajar 'ach chIch
Hub'eghrupbe'pu'mo' lujchu'. <br><br>
</dl>**<br>
chIch wunmo', chaq <-ta'> qaq law' <-pu'> qaq
puS.</blockquote>tlhejmo' -be' vISovbejbe'. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>vulchoH. mInDu'Daj poSqa'laHDI', joy'wI' pa'Daq ghaHtaH.<br><br>
</dl>qab De' 'ej QaQ De'. jonba'ta' qImyal. 'ach Do'qu'chugh 'ej
valchugh, pa'Daq jollu' 'e' chaw'meH Hung pat ngeplaH.<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>vajar 'emDaq yebDu'Daj tay'moH tlhoy' rarbogh mIrmey Qey'e'. DaSmey
tuQbe'taH. ngIbDu'Daj rartaH je mIr, 'ej rav rar. 'oy'choH
volchaHDu'Daj.<br><br>
</dl>**<br>
I can make {tlhoy'/rav rar mIr} work without stretching the meaning of
{rar} to include a "connect *to*" idea, but just barely.
Rephrasing it is not necessary, but it might make it read a little more
smoothly.</blockquote>vIlaDqa'. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>ngaQHa'moHwI' wab Qoy. poSmoH lojmIt 'ej 'el qImyal Sa'. quSDaq
ba'choH Sa'. vajar bejchoH Sa'. tlhoy' bejtaH vajar 'ach Sa'
leghlaH.<br><br>
</dl>After having {bej} used this way often in the story, "facing
the wall" comes very easily to mind. I hope it isn't an abuse of the
word's true meaning.</blockquote>I did mean it as "watches the
wall.". He's not deigning ti turn and look at her. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>jatlh qImyal, =C2=ABqanoHHa'pu', vajar HoD. qIQmeH yaSpu'wI' DaponlaH 'e=
'
vIloybe'. 'et tach boQaw'pu' ja' HungpInwI'. bIHem'a'?=C2=BB<br><br>
</dl>tach Qaw'pu' 'e' buSlaw' HungpIn. raSmeyvetlh SaHqu'ba' jay'! ram'a'
Heghbogh negh?</blockquote>ja'pu' ya Sogh ...<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><br>
**<br>
{ja'} isn't being used the way I expect that it should here: {boQaw'pu'}
has the wrong prefix for it to be reported speech.</blockquote>I was
looking for "reports". But I will change the prefix to
accommodate requiring it to be reported speech. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>'et tach SaH'a' Sa'? QaSDaj nawlogh luQaw'ta' je.<br><br>
</dl>tu' je vajar. maj.</blockquote>chaq De' naQ ghajbe' je qImyal. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>jatlh vajar, =C2=ABqIQchoHmeH vIponbe'. qIQrup chaH. 'eb vInob
neH.=C2=BB<br><br>
<dd>jatlh qImyal, =C2=ABQupwI'pu'vaD 'eb Danobmo' loQ bInoy. pIj nInaD
nItoy'pu'bogh beqpu'.=C2=BB<br><br>
<dd>noy'a' vajar? machmo' Dugh 'ej pIj Dalmo' Qu'meyDaj, reH vajar toy'
beqpu' Qup, beqpu''e' lajHa'ta'bogh latlhpu' je. ghojmoHtaH vajar.
ghojmoH 'e' tIv 'ej ghojwI'pu'Daj SaHqu'.<br><br>
</dl>maj. ja' vIttlhegh lI' =C2=ABghojwI'pu'lI'
tISaH=C2=BB.</blockquote>wISovbej, jIH vajar je. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>pIj Dujmey potlh toy'choH, vajar toy'pu'DI'. chaHmo' Hem vajar. jatlh
=C2=ABvIvuvmo' 'ej vIghongbe'mo' batlh mutoy'.=C2=BB <br><br>
</dl>vuvbe' qImyal 'ej ghong, 'e' chuplaw' vajar.</blockquote>teHlaH'a'?
:-)<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl><br>
<dd>mIwmeyDaj ghojwI'pu'Daj je DelmeH vajar yu'choH qImyal. peghmey
bIHbe'mo' jatlhqang vajar. 'op mIwmeyDaj Ho' qImyal. 'oy'taH vajar
volchaHDu' 'ach ghu'vam SIQlaHbej.<br><br>
</dl>wej qImyal Dup vIyaj. peghDaj ghojpu' Qa'bar 'e'
Sovbe''a'?</blockquote>chobDaq nuq ja' DaqwI'? qImyalvaD De'
ja'pu''a'? ghobe'. De' 'op nob 'ach qImyal HeSmey tu'DI' moch rI',
'ej lotlhchoH ghaH moch je. <br><br>
jan tu'DI' Qa'bar, joy'meHpa' ghoSmeH meH mejpu' qImyal, 'e' wISov.
<br><br>
- Qov<br><br>
<br>
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